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If that is all you want to do, then please go race with one of your local S/SS organizations.
The rest of us, who worked hard to build an NHRA legal car are good with the current number of classes.

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Dan simply question
How many times have you raced Pure Stock in the last 2 years ?
Now you want Nhra to allow you pure Stock racers in why
Nhra sucks and is a rip off.
If less that 1 time you are opinions mean little or nothing on this forum
Ihra failed because of racers like you
KEN. I’m easy to find at the racetrack
But these computer racers stay seated where it’s safe
Frank I have 2 cars I work twice as hard as you could

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The End!!! Finally!!! Rip!!!

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I will just make one post on this:

Dan: convert or buy, up to you its cheaper to just buy the done impalas out there, just search the classifieds, one in d-1 cheap money, throw a class 4 hitch on your bad boy, tranny cooler, get a featherlite open and your done. You can always race the tow pig at the associations that allow it.

James you have earned a case of the beer of your choice at the next D-1 event were both at just let me know.

My truck used to be a "player" in IHRA, had to adjust it to the nhra just like the rest.


Eric Merryfield
stock and superstock 1883
"I don't always race my Beagle, but when I do I prefer it 60 foot on the rear tires"

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I would say the 21 different Factory Stock classes diluted Stock a bit. lol

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Jim surely you didn't mean me ! I was kidding about being connected, And I've raced from 68 to around 08, probably longer than you've been alive, from Sanair to Dallas. Had two Super Stocker's at the same time, maintained them myself. Set a number of records. Please don't say I'm the reason IHRA shut down.

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I have built and Raced an IHRA Crate motor car, My friend still races it @ ECSSSA races. NHRA has allowed New replacement parts for engine builds. I do not think it is necessary to create new classes as there are so many now. I know to convert the Crate Motor car to NHRA legal would not be difficult.

I am always interested in finding out who actually races and how many events attended from the Members here that complain about EVERYTHING.

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James;
I have been racing Pure Stock for last 5 years.
As for NHRA you think they suck? Why are you dirging them?
They work hard to run a Motor Sport organization.
Feel sorry they have to deal with grumpy people like you.

IHRA made a very tough business decision.
I do not like how and what they did...but they and we have to live with it.
Their main reason dropping Sportsman?
Too many racers did not support the sport.

The indifference killed IHRA Sportsman and NHRA could be next.
Especially if they cannot have a profitable business model.
This conversation has been discussed on other Threads.

Mike Beard put on one of the best independent S/SS programs ever.
Made ok profit the first year and promises everyone would be back the next.
We did not support him .
Few appreciated his monumental effort and organization.

GT, CM and PS are part of our sport.
Losing a promoter like Mike, IHRA and these classes is a Canary in the Mines.
Beware of your opinions as they can bite back.

As for my opinions meaning little or nothing on this forum?
Maybe you should check how many people have been responding?

Despite whether you agree with me or not.
If anyone asked for my help I would be right there to help.
I have no animosity or anger here.
But wow I sure got a pile of it.

I just want to race a Pure Stocker and compete against anyone willing to race against me.

James bet you $10 you cannot beat me.
Remember I am Mr. Pure Stock !

D

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You are right on that Ken. NHRA must have figured it was easier to add the classes than it was to correct the HP factors to get them in line with the older combos. The manufacturers had a hand in that.

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Of course you can’t answer a simple question how many times did you race in the last /2 years? Bet I can’t beat you BECAUSE YOU Don’t RACE. And you need a nhra class car. Please find a different subject you are delusional

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Where is the like button?

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I can't find it either. LOL

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Way tooooo much drama for me, you guys need to find something to do, get a hobby. Im out !!! :cool:

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Jimmy baby,
Wrong as usual, two Max Wedge cars at one time. Try it and double your fun Speed Racer.

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Feeling the love aren't you?

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My friends up in D1 tell me that James is really a great guy, of course I don't know that for sure because he calls me names, but I admire his passion and I'll take their word for it, kind of sort of.

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My Stocker has been sitting in storage without an engine since 2014. It'll be super-expensive to build a motor to bomb the 13.80 Q/SA index so I'm petitioning the NHRA to add "Push Stock" classes to Stock Eliminator so that all of the guys who don't have the money to spend on upgrading or freshening their motors can use up to 4 friends to push them down the 1/4 mile while they keep the car pointed straight.

But really, it sounds like this Dan guy is experiencing "being a cheapskate" gone wrong. You don't have a dime-rocket combo so spend the money to meet the performance standards like everyone else, obtain a better / more affordable combo (purchased or built), or just run Street ET. The years of driving a Stocker to the track have been gone since around the time I was born, save for a few FWDs.

So you state that it will cost $15,000 to upgrade to NHRA conformity? First, you don't know how much it will ultimately cost until you actually start spending the money (rollbar aside). Nobody says you have to spend it all at the same time either.

I'm having trouble fathoming this even costing that much to upgrade considering Nitro Joe's shows you ran a best of 12.88 last year. I don't know what your other runs were or what weight you made those passes at, but it sounds like you are pretty darn close to K/L/M index range. I mean, holy crap, there is a '94 Caprice running 12.60's in P/SA with the baby LT1. I thought the beauty of running a Chevy 350 motor was that there will always be someone with parts laying around. It's a 20+ year old combo, I'm sure whatever trick Comp or Bullet cam from 2002 and a fresh valve train will get you under the index considering you had to run stock duration / seat pressure. Can we start a Go Fund Me to buy this guy an upgraded cam & valvetrain?

Regarding ex-Crate Motor engine combos......ehhhh.....maybe compromise and allow them in GT Super Stock?

Sincerely,

A guy who went out and bought a running Q/SA for $7,500.

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But you see he had some real valid points. He didn't want to put the roll bar in because it makes it hard to get in and out of the car. I agree, you guys ever see my fat *** getting in my camaro!
And he wants to be able to keep his A/C and comforts of the car. I couldn't agree more, my window motor quit last week at Reynolds and I was about to suffocate in October! A/C would've been very useful.
But he lost me on the one about being able to drive it on the street, I mean I do it all the time. A few test passes here and there, just ask my neighbors across the road who keep calling the state patrol! A few test never hurt anyone!

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Wish I had the proper meme to reply back with, but:

Not sure if trolling or sarcastically disagreeing......

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you do understand that for some reason you got your wish, as soon as the NHRA guys decided a combo was good and engine guys like Barton, Morgantini, Tillburg and others started working on these engines, they would be 1+ second combos and you would be in the same boat spending alot of money to be competetive again?

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I don't believe Dan want's to be in the one second under club, He's just looking to race, back when I built my first stocker it was really a pure stock but with headers & slicks. You'll never see a pure stock run with the factory stock guys, no matter who builds the motor.

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Lol I'm agreeing with you.

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I did not mean it to make it sound personal. I would guess we are on the same side of the argument.

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Hey Dan, who gives a **** !!!!

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The "15-20" in my post referred just to the number of crate motors that would be added, not classes. What I didn't add was that the crate motors should simply be additional optional engines for already existing cars, limited to the maximum installed engine or lower.

For example, the 1972 Ford Mustang has 6-7 different factory engine combinations to use. The most powerful of which is the 351/275 re-rated to 325 or 330 by NHRA. which fits in D/SA-F/SA.In that case, allow any crate motor from Ford that has a maximum rating of 330 or less. That Mustang would still run in the same classes if it had a 330 hp crate motor, lower classes if it had a less powerful engine.

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Dan Fahey

What is your present combination?

What is the year, make, engine size and factory horsepower that you claim?

What is the year, make and body style that you claim for your car?

What type of transmission?

Thank you.

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Bob I believe Dan has the same combination Eric Campolito they call the "Taxi cab". he was qualified .930 at the latest division 3 race in J/SA with his 96 Caprice.
Paul

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I want to keep the A/C in the car. Really!
A/c in my race car works when I pick up my time slip

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Yes that is correct.
His is actually an SS with a Caprice grill.
Which allows him to run J/SA and good bit lighter!
SS nose would run K L M.
They got a lot invested in it to run that quick.
Think they broke several gears and one engine.
Use to run R/SA with the baby LT1.
The other well know Caprice now runs P/SA.
It was originally built by Bernie Steinke nicknamed Snowflake.
Later bought by Bryan Herter then by Corbitt Marshburn.
NHRA added a lot of HP on the mini LT1 as the national recorded was being hit between Don and Corbitt.

Cool days like today my car will run 12.90.
Figure maybe 3 more tenths left finding every last trick in the book.
Corbitt managed a cold air day best of 12.39 with his F/PS Impala SS before selling it.
My best on cold air day is a 12.68 105

Fwiw our cars have the same chassis as the 60/70/80 Chevelles, GTOs and mid/late 80s Impala and Caprice..

D

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Jim...until recently had the AC in the car.
It felt great after a run in the Summer heat.
Electric Windows are great to get fresh air.

In fact use to drive to all the IHRA races from 2011 to mid 2016.
Change to the 4 race tires and Race all day.
Then put the street tires on and go to the motel or head home.

In fact I raced at Bradenton, Fl by putting the car on the auto train!
From Sanford Fl drove to Bradenton IHRA race.
Pulled the street tires and installed the race wheels.
Went a couple rounds that weekends.
Stayed at a motel and met my wife and daughter Vacationing in Sarasota.
Then drove to Kississimee to finish our vacation.
Put the car back on the auto train and home.

The Class Nationals I drove my Pure Stocker to the Race.
About 6 - 7 hours driving time.
Did the old school thing by switching tires at the track.
Putting the street tires on to go to the motel then home.

It was a good bit of work.
Got the task of replacing the tires down to 15 minutes.

Now I have nice Featherlight trailer...!
I tow with a Customized 94 Caprice Wagon.
One day the trans broke coming from a race.
So pulled the car off the Trailer and drove it home since it is tagged.
Retrieved the Wagon and trailer later.

In fact have been drag racing my Impala SS flipping tires back and forth since 2004.
Even autocrossed the car and advanced driving FATT at Summit point.

My business and family come first.
Pure Stock was the perfect venue to get back into racing Stock.

Really do not want the stress having a high maintenance Stocker.
Things break easier, got the costly fuel, and the expensive refitment to run competitively and maintain safety requirements.

Did you know I have over 200k miles on my car.
Fortunately have choices...and going to take them!

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Sounds like a bracket car story to me, not a class car story.

Dan, I feel for ya, understand completely as I was collecting parts to build a crate motor car. You will never get NHRA to make a decision on anything by writing on a forum though. Even if you got 100% agreement on here (which obviously will never happen), you need to petition NHRA and get as many others to sign on to it. Even though they read classracer, they need someone running point to actually present something to them because they sure as hell won't read a forum, decide everybody likes something and then implement it on their own.

Good luck with your efforts.

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So you admit you didn’t race in 2017.
Shame on you You didn’t support ihra Thanks for you long winded answer
You post are like the davici code.
Danny you have a street eliminator car.
So I guess we ain’t racing. Please stay on the porch.
You talk in circles like Hillary Clinton
Keep rubbing yourself. Must be raw by now

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WOW JIM:
You sure are hard headed.
I ran at several IHRA races this year.
Piedmont (6.5 hrs), Farmington 7.5 hrs), MIR (2.5 hrs), Pittsburgh - Keystone (4 hrs) and Empire (7 hrs).

Do not contact me again.
Have never been disrespectful to you or anyone on CR.
Your imbedded bigotry and inappropriate comments noted..!
Don't ever speak to me or approach me !!

Fine to discuss opinions about racing.
Your characterizations are over the top.
You are on IGNORE!

Will report this to the Arbiter...

Good day
D

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Thank you !
You do make progress without asking.
In fact did petitioned and converse with NHRA and they liked my offer.
Just not in their interest right now.
That is fine. Did my due diligence.

With NMCA may renew the Pure Stock Challenge.
PureStockDrags and I have talked and cool stuff brewing there.

CR is a good medium for ideas and concurrence.
Got a lot of encouraging emails from CM and PS drivers.

Will run S/SS associations, still have ECIRS, Club and Bracket racing.
Getting advise where to get work done on the car.
Friend recommended HFR Fabrication for a Roll Bar.
Not sure the 10 bolt 8.5 inch rear will hold up to the extra HP.
Time to think and assess.

As for being a Bracket Car..yes.
When you run Eliminations you set up the car for Bracket Racing.
Handicap racing is Bracket Racing.
Your ability to cut a light an run on your dial is Bracket Racing.

Unlike regular Bracket Racing everyone is looking for more performance in Stock.
Started in G/PS running 13.50's now F/PS running 13.0's.
Planned to set the record in F/PS.
You do not set records in Bracket Racing.
You are not limited to mods in bracket racing as in Stock.

Pure Stock has more restrictive rules to go fast than Stock.

Just saying

D

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It’s over. RIP CM and PS

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Sounds like just the safety equipment is needed for you to enjoy some NHRA racing. We all/everyone 100% are play by the rules. Put a rollbar in it.
Paul

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YUP...was considering a Roll Bar anyway.
Lot of people can do one.
Would like one tight and easy to get in and out of.
Figured eventually would be running Stock.
Hoping the 1969 Impala would be ready.
But then again time and space.

D

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Dan, your 8.5 rearend will handle way more power than than you will ever make. They are every bit as strong as a 12 bolt. I have had an 8.5 in my car for about 20 years now.

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Cute... LOL !!

D