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Mark Yacavone 03-20-2020 08:19 PM

Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by joe huestis (Post 610415)
. As I have said before we need more lower class “junior” stockers !

Lots of things have changed since this thread's inception.
National events are pretty much out of reach for a lot of us now.
The local association combos are where it's at for a good majority.
Why not put one of these "penny savers" together and support the guys who appreciate your business?

Dwight Southerland 03-21-2020 09:03 AM

Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by Rick Unterseh (Post 610408)
Jeff,
Remember, Billy still has the pushbutton wall mounted phone, give him time, he will come around. :)

:rolleyes: Bend over, double up laughing!

Billy Nees 03-21-2020 09:07 AM

Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 610417)
Lots of things have changed since this thread's inception.
National events are pretty much out of reach for a lot of us now.
The local association combos are where it's at for a good majority.
Why not put one of these "penny savers" together and support the guys who appreciate your business?

Mark, you bring up some good points here. The quota system has pretty much "locked out" the average S/SS Racer as far as Natl. Events go. I can deal with that. I was getting sick of the theatrics anyway. I enjoy the Divs. and Natl. Opens and they give me my "fix". I don't get out to the Assn. Races but there are a few really good Assns. here in the northeast.
I don't think that the average Wanna-be Racer realizes just how easy and in-expensive it really is to put together one of these "penny savers". As "specialized" as even the average foot-brake bracket car has become, it's got to be cheaper and easier to build a competitive "under class" Stocker.
The way many of the local tracks here in the northeast have cut back their bracket programs, some to as little as 2 or 1 day a month, it would almost make sense to build a "Dime Rocket" S/SS car. You can bracket race a S/SS car. You can't S/SS race your bracket car. It just seems to me that it would be logical to build a car that you can get the most use out of.

Dwight Southerland 03-21-2020 09:16 AM

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Somebody tell me why a '75-'77 Buick 350 2-bbl rated at 220 big cam or 205 small cam is not a good base for a dime rocket?

Billy Nees 03-21-2020 09:35 AM

Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland (Post 610431)
Somebody tell me why a '75-'77 Buick 350 2-bbl rated at 220 big cam or 205 small cam is not a good base for a dime rocket?


I don't see anything wrong with it other than maybe parts availability. 77 Century/Regal can make T. Personally, I think that the Regal is a good looking car.

Dave Muller 03-21-2020 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick Unterseh (Post 610408)
Jeff,
Remember, Billy still has the pushbutton wall mounted phone, give him time, he will come around. :)

Hey, give the man some credit. At least it's not rotary dial.

Billy Nees 03-21-2020 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Muller (Post 610433)
Hey, give the man some credit. At least it's not rotary dial.

Only because rotary dials won't work anymore!

Isaac Zane 03-21-2020 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 610432)
I don't see anything wrong with it other than maybe parts availability. 77 Century/Regal can make T. Personally, I think that the Regal is a good looking car.

We have a 75 Buick 350 4bbl intake..... And also a 1238349 intake that I don't know what year this one would be for other than it is similar to the 73 - 015 intake.

Billy Nees 03-21-2020 10:08 AM

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Isaac, don't/didn't you have a 77 Regal?

Billy Nees 03-21-2020 10:25 AM

Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by jmantle (Post 610300)
Maybe we could start with the V/SA combo that last set the record. Should be competitive with the 302 Fords both cost and performance wise.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632


Jim, you're going to have to refresh my memory on this one. Was it your combo or the Super6?

Isaac Zane 03-21-2020 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 610437)
Isaac, don't/didn't you have a 77 Regal?

You mean the one I got from you?? 76 or 77 I think.... Had.

Billy Nees 03-23-2020 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cicero819 (Post 610342)
My favorite 1998 Lincoln Mark VIII LSC 4.6L 290 H.P. 3775 pds. Everything from the mustangs fits this model just add a gear M/SA plus it look good.

It's not in the guide.

Nick Heath 03-23-2020 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 610571)
It's not in the guide.

You could call it a 1996 - but it's still at 290hp, so I/SA at 3650# or J/SA or 3795#.

JWagner 03-23-2020 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 610438)
Jim, you're going to have to refresh my memory on this one. Was it your combo or the Super6?

It was an El Camino, wasn't it? Haven't seen it for a long time.

vic guilmino 03-23-2020 08:02 PM

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Does anybody have one of those programs where you can build cars and then test them maybe we can do it with one of these car

Nick Heath 03-27-2020 01:07 PM

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OK, who went to the trouble of getting the 2001 Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis into the class guide?

4.6L mod motor, rated at 220hp at a 17.xx weight break - so either Q/SA at 3910 or R/SA at 4130. Similar specs and shared parts with the Mustang GT, which is at 260.

Anything to see here?

Paul Wong 03-27-2020 01:41 PM

Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by Nick Heath (Post 610933)
OK, who went to the trouble of getting the 2001 Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis into the class guide?

4.6L mod motor, rated at 220hp at a 17.xx weight break - so either Q/SA at 3910 or R/SA at 4130. Similar specs and shared parts with the Mustang GT, which is at 260.

Anything to see here?

It will run plenty good...not a dime rocket. DFI, good rear end to hold up to the weight.

Steve Stickel 03-27-2020 01:54 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick Heath (Post 610933)
OK, who went to the trouble of getting the 2001 Ford Crown Victoria/Mercury Grand Marquis into the class guide?

4.6L mod motor, rated at 220hp at a 17.xx weight break - so either Q/SA at 3910 or R/SA at 4130. Similar specs and shared parts with the Mustang GT, which is at 260.

Anything to see here?


Wow LMAO !!! just listed in two days ago... Correct me if I'm wrong 2001 is the 2V with the PI heads, intake and cams? If so, the non PI 2v is running 5-6 under at 207 hp in a mustang, so this should be a decent combo, worth looking at.. And probably, the 99-04 mustang at 260 is way high for that engine, never saw one recently in stock eliminator, what a shame considering how many were built..

Mark Yacavone 03-27-2020 02:07 PM

Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Wong (Post 610936)
It will run plenty good...not a dime rocket. DFI, good rear end to hold up to the weight.

Yeah! Now, if they'd let you deep stage it .. ;-)

brian schuetta 04-11-2020 04:13 PM

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I remember comments on the heads for the 305 2 barrel heads. 450 heads were the best of the castings species. Of those there was a difference between them and the better ones had clearer casting numbers. Anyone remember this? I will try to post pictures I took today of my castings and the numbers.

GTX JOHN 04-12-2020 02:00 AM

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[QUOTE=Mark Yacavone;610939]Yeah! Now, if they'd let you deep stage it .. ;-)[/QUsOTE]

Just take two bumps and hope the top bulb stays on.....
How I run the N/O/P Aspen 318 Wagon!
It got me to Finals at Sonoma couple years back.

89bird 05-03-2020 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland (Post 266850)
Okay, since I have already let the cat out of the bag on the other thread, I will start with my favorite, the '76 or '77 Camaro, '78 Camaro LT or '78 Firebird Formula, or '79 Camaro Berlinetta with a 305 2-bbl for U/SA. The pluses for this combination and the potential makes it a must look at in my opinion.

The engine is basically the same as the one Billy Lynn and Dean Oliver race in their Malibus in K & L. The only difference is the carb and a smaller intake valve (which may be a plus with the smaller carb!). Those Malibus run 11.80s consistently at 3250 lbs, so we can get a guage on the potential of the U combination from that. If you allow that the switch to a 2-bbl will chop a full second off and the added weight for U (3770 lbs. minimum) will slow by another .6 or so, the U combination should run mid 13s in a class with a 15.15 index. I see lots of potential there to be a competitor.

Then, consider that the 200 Metric or 200R4 is available and the car will be equipped with a GM 8.5" ten bolt. The 200 is a transmission of choice in lots of classes and the 8.5 is plenty strong enough with stock parts for this combo. The body has leaf springs so traction is easy and the plethora of available bolt-ons makes used parts easy to find. There have been several racers over the years chase combinations using the Rochester 2-bbl, so even the carb is not exactly an unknown.

I see lots of affordable potential in these combinations. I think the big problem for most people would be resisting the temptation to go overboard with the cosmetics and tricks that are available and applicable for the engine and car.

What gear and converter would you use and would you need c clip eliminator thanks

89bird 05-03-2020 07:36 PM

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What are the thoughts on a 76 trans am with a Pontiac motor in it, 8.5 ten bolt, th400 trans would it make a buget minded stocker.

Tim H 05-03-2020 08:09 PM

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TH400 "eats" up a lot of HP ... just sayin' . Also a TH350 has a better 1st gear in a budget build.

Mark Yacavone 05-03-2020 09:45 PM

Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by 89bird (Post 613821)
What are the thoughts on a 76 trans am with a Pontiac motor in it, 8.5 ten bolt, th400 trans would it make a buget minded stocker.

Which engine ? Neither one is particularly great. The 400 would be okay in L/SA , where there are not a lot of cars to bother you.
Forget the 400..Look around for a T350 with a 2.75 low and some light parts...Minimum.

89bird 05-04-2020 01:10 PM

Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 613826)
Which engine ? Neither one is particularly great. The 400 would be okay in L/SA , where there are not a lot of cars to bother you.
Forget the 400..Look around for a T350 with a 2.75 low and some light parts...Minimum.

My apologies it's a th350, and the motor is a 1969 Pontiac 350

Mark Yacavone 05-04-2020 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 89bird (Post 613854)
My apologies it's a th350, and the motor is a 1969 Pontiac 350

Okay...so what engine do you plan on running though?

89bird 05-04-2020 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 613855)
Okay...so what engine do you plan on running though?

I guess I'm stuck with a pontiac, I was told 78 was the only year you can run a chevy motor but I dont no how true that is. Trying to make my stuff work seems like a upward battle

Mark Yacavone 05-04-2020 05:27 PM

Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by 89bird (Post 613862)
I guess I'm stuck with a pontiac,

Things could be worse, my friend.

89bird 05-04-2020 07:22 PM

Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 613873)
Things could be worse, my friend.

Lol but seriously thanks Mark and everyone else on here I have learned a lot by just reading these posts

Billy Nees 05-05-2020 12:34 PM

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What year IS your Firebird?

MR DERBY CITY 05-05-2020 08:15 PM

Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
[QUOTE=GTX JOHN;612043]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 610939)
Yeah! Now, if they'd let you deep stage it .. ;-)[/QUsOTE]

Just take two bumps and hope the top bulb stays on.....
How I run the N/O/P Aspen 318 Wagon!
It got me to Finals at Sonoma couple years back.

It will take more than 2 bumps to turn the top bulb off John.....be nice if you had a counter ??

89bird 05-06-2020 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by billy nees (Post 613931)
what year is your firebird?

1976

Billy Nees 05-06-2020 07:39 AM

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Make it a 77. Then you can put a 305/2V in it. Best "bang-for-the-buck" that you're gonna get.

Joe Marcinowski 05-06-2020 09:28 AM

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89bird, If you listen to Billy (and you should) you might be interested in Mike Moller's post in the build section on page 4.

Glenn Briglio 05-06-2020 12:25 PM

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I would look at the 400ci combo in 76.......275 hp

Billy Nees 02-26-2022 11:03 AM

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Lots of good stuff for 5.9 magnum jeep to look at!

5.9magnumjeep 02-27-2022 05:55 AM

Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 657858)
Lots of good stuff for 5.9 magnum jeep to look at!

Yup! Reading through it now and hopefully getting time to start a build thread!

Dwight Southerland 02-27-2022 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 657858)
Lots of good stuff for 5.9 magnum jeep to look at!

On my secret check list. Has been for a l-o-o-o-n-n-g time.

mike britt 03-09-2022 12:00 AM

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Any body ever look into building a 95 Grand Am with the V-6. 201 cubic inches and a pretty good size throttle body, .409 lift cam, fairly good compression, 15.15 index, seems like it wouldn't be too hard to get that thing under the index. Rated at 150 hp and around 2700 pounds.


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