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Jim, is there any updates on the Corvette of Terry. It would be very cool to see that car completed and on display.

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ALL I CAN SAY IS WOWWWWW, you got to love the experts, mr gtx john and mr im no expert cates if your so smart on corvettes what year is my superstocker pictured on page 3 of this article the saddle tan one and my stocker on page 6 the red one. believe me if doug engels says its a 63 thats what it started life as.:

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Might be a collection of various years & parts in addition the to above:

'65 Rocker panel moldings
Roof 66 or 67 no vents behind door glass
63-66 rear light panel, 67 had backup light over license plate
67 style brake lights, no backup lens
66 gas lid door

Still a very nice car, kinda like my swap meet special '66ish coupe.

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I would say your saddle tan is a 63 as it has all the right things.
The red one also looks right.
So what is your point.
All I did was point out the pictures shown as a 63 is missing many items which should make it a 63. Split window and fender slots which is telling is all I pointed out.
Yes I am no expert as you so dramatically pointed out however, I have owned a number of original mid year corvette's. The split window is the first thing that makes the 63 a 63 and the one we are discussing is missing that.
I owned and raced a 63 split window for many years with an original body down to the LOF glass in the windows except the windshield. I had restorers try to buy the LOF glass in the split windows at the race track several times.
You can call a car anything you like however, that does not make that claim any more correct one way or the other.
By the way looks like dedracer edited his post as I was responding as it no longer calls the car a 63.
Not my car so call it anything you like and I will do the same.
If I can get a picture to load I will list my 63 split window below I raced for years and wished I still owned.
Rick Cates
Canyon, TX

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Lynn Engles, I think you mistook the car we were discussing.
After making my post I went back and the red and gold corvette listed as currently owned by LJ Engles is NOT the one we were discussing.
Those pictures were also posted by dedracer.
It is the white one we were discussing in Post # 436 that I quoted in my response.
Quote: Post # 436
Originally Posted by dedracer View Post
Schnelker & Losher G/gas 63 Corvette from Fort Wayne Indiana, probably the best time capsule I've ever come across, was parked around 1973. Still retains the 287 & Doug Nash trans it was last raced with.
Dedracer has now edited out the 63 out of his post # 436.
I think he realized he created a controversy by showing it as a 63.
Let me know what you think.
I post on here to make friends not enemies and your post made me think you thought of me as the latter.
Rick Cates
Canyon, TX

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mr cates i know which car i was talking about , your first sentence was in this case looks are not decieving ,well sir they are if you look it still has the stock front window trim, 63 only, but what you cant see is the title and trim and vin tag that prove it started out as a 63, your second sentence,can you tell by my screen name i should know a 63 when i see it, well if that was the case you said my superstocker was a 63 as it has all the right things, well wrong as it doesnt have the front window trim and it is a 64 . you also said my stocker looks right , well once again its run as a 67 but its a 65, one of your other sentences , so what is your point, my point is not everything is as it looks corvettes have been one the most popular race cars since the beginning so if you wanted to chg classes you just chged the vents or louveres to make it what ever want so if you cut out the back window of a 63 and put in 67 louveres and call it a 67 and its still titled a 63 as it started i would say its still a 63, one more example is the car posted by chopperloco has 67 vents but its not a 67,but then again my brother had a 61 that was titled as 58 that was bought right from a chevy dealer so what year would that be, i could go on and on but im starting to sound like the experts which i definatley am not and dont want to be. but i do love old corvette race cars whatever year you want to call them.

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WOW this is just a stunning car.


jp

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NHRA rulebook has stated for as Long as I can remember:

All Trim / Sheetmetal and components must match the year claimed in
Stock and Superstock except the VIN does not have to be change to
that year any customizing limited to paint only(Paraphrased from memory).

I have often changed the year on my Demon for the engine combo
that I want to run in the last 30 years. NHRA accepts the year I claim on tech card
as long as the different pieces match the year I present it to be =

VIN and year on title are not relevant to this matter just the presentation
of pieces on the vehicle.

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All C2 Corvettes are stunning and ALL of Mr. Engel's cars amazing.

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mr cates i know which car i was talking about , your first sentence was in this case looks are not decieving ,well sir they are if you look it still has the stock front window trim, 63 only, but what you cant see is the title and trim and vin tag that prove it started out as a 63, your second sentence,can you tell by my screen name i should know a 63 when i see it, well if that was the case you said my superstocker was a 63 as it has all the right things, well wrong as it doesnt have the front window trim and it is a 64 . you also said my stocker looks right , well once again its run as a 67 but its a 65, one of your other sentences , so what is your point, my point is not everything is as it looks corvettes have been one the most popular race cars since the beginning so if you wanted to chg classes you just chged the vents or louveres to make it what ever want so if you cut out the back window of a 63 and put in 67 louveres and call it a 67 and its still titled a 63 as it started i would say its still a 63, one more example is the car posted by chopperloco has 67 vents but its not a 67,but then again my brother had a 61 that was titled as 58 that was bought right from a chevy dealer so what year would that be, i could go on and on but im starting to sound like the experts which i definatley am not and dont want to be. but i do love old corvette race cars whatever year you want to call them.
lynn engels is offline

Lynn, my first comment is above and it states "That body sure looks like a 67 to me."
I was talking about the body not the trim or the vin tag just the body style.
I raced the original body 63 for many years before retirement in S/G and SST.
I was just not that competitive and moved up to a full round tube and more HP than it was able to support.
I own a 67 original street car and I currently race a Don Davis C5 roadster in Super Gas. The C5 was built in 2007 and I use that year on my tech cards as its year.
I left stock class racing in the 60's to get married and raise a family however, I still watch Stock and Super Stock when at the races as time permits.
We have been friends with the Cotton's for years. We were parked next to them many years ago and have been friends since. Mike and Paula are just great people and I am proud to call them friends. I do not care what brand someone races it is all about the races and the friends you make at the races. We have made race friends all over the country and into Canada since retirement.
I remember when the red corvette, you mentioned in the photo from page 6 was awarded the Best Engineered award in Las Vegas. I was there racing and looked at it and it was nice.
I am on the forum to learn things about the racing and the racing community and possibly make a few new friends. And like I stated earlier not to make enemies. I just took your first comments about me not being an expert as having made enemy. I hope that is not the case. I am old and have lots of experience in lots of different things however, I am not an expert in anything. That is all I was trying to state.
Rick Cates
Canyon, TX

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mr cates, your not my enemy, im sure if i met you we,d be friends and enough bantering about whats what, lets just see more pics of old corvette drag cars. have a good day sir.

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Lynn. I just want to drive the gold car.LOL! Definitely one of the coolest super stockers out there.

Rick

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thats what that car needs is a good driver like yourself

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There were several beautiful Corvettes that raced out of Montgomery, AL back in the 70's and 80's. One was a candy apple red '62 owned and driven by Bill Bethea. Another was a black '63 (IIRC), owned and driven by Al Capatel. These were IHRA cars, so they prob weren't seen much outside of the Southeast. Surely someone has some pics of those.
I'm told that Bill still owns his car, not sure about Al. Bill's business partner, Kenneth Dickey also had a 'Vette. I believe his was also a '62, which ran in S/S.
Another was the McCann, Cowles and Kamakowski car, driven by Stanley Kamakowski, which was white and was a '67 or '66. (IIRC)
These cars were all Modifieds except for Kenneth's and all were immaculate and always well-prepared.
Anyone remember those cars?

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Terry,

I remember these racers and their cars well. They were good racers who ran at Phenix City and Montgomery quite a bit, I always admired their Corvettes and not surprised that Bill still has his.

Jimmy Parker

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Doug,would it be possible to see interior and underhood?
Dom

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Beats watching the pro Fuel trash !:cool:

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Stick shift nationals. Farmington Dragway June 19

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Recently owned by Angelo DeCarlo until a few years ago. Was sold to somebody that did a restoration of the Ault & James H/Gas Corvette.

Shown here in the courtyard west of the left lane bleachers at the US Nationals last September.

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What? No Pontiacs? I have a 326 that will pop your eyeballs out. Would I get to use Edlebrock heads? Or a factory head? I prefer the factory head.

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Bruce Fulper : Please help me out. What does your post have to do with old modified Corvettes? Admittedly, I just take pictures. I am not a racer. I am not an engine builder. Seems that I am not understanding something.

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WHOA !!!! Bubski can see the reefer smoke from here as this post was being written !!! Even in todays make no sense world Bubski can't imagine how this relates to modified Vettes !! Bubski recomends taking your one hitter over to the lifter debacle thread !!! Cheers

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Because........there are posts and talking that include guys that have other cars, not 'vettes, they've posted that they'd like to be involved too. Some of the posts put up even suggest potential rules to include Fords and Mopars.

THAT, my dear friend is what caused me to want to possibly jump in the fray too. :-)

I'm fond of heads-up competition. These M/P ideas get me excited. Fun stuff.

Happy New Year!

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there was Billy black in his 65-66 vette.. He raced at Huntsville and green valley but was from gaylesville al. A friend of mine bought both of his Doug nash trans... He still owns the vette

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I remember the Ault & James car when I was a child (54 now). I also found the pic of that car in dad's old collection of Corvette News from the US Nats (taking out the tree after breaking the engine on the starting line) back in the mid 1970's. Would love to see that car again,....maybe racing at Norwalk in the future. I loved watching and listening to all the Vette's in Modifed when dad and I would head down to Columbus for the Spring Nationals when I was a youngster. I like Randy Wilson's Nostalgia Modified idea.
Thanks, Ron P.

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Ron P,

Just recently I FINALLY saw the video of that Indy final where Jerry Ault blew the engine. While it was CLOSE, he did miss the tree. Competition Plus posted the videos of the '76 Indy Nationals. Wish this thread would get back to posting pictures of the old Vettes.....

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^^^ this ^^^

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Former Tim Peckham G/G 59 Corvette getting resurrected for super stock modified.

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It's been a while since I was on here so let me introduce myself. I'm just an old hillbilly from Kentucky who loves Corvettes and specifically Corvette race cars. When I joined this site a little over a couple of years ago, I had just agreed to purchase Doug Engels' 1961 Corvette known as Shotgun, so I made my username Shotgun 61. I even contacted the previous owner Ronnie Mack and told him I just bought his old car from Doug and he was excited, but not as excited as I was. Well.................. we all know what can happen when we "count our chickens before they hatch".:o . Sometimes life takes a sudden and catastrophic turn we are not expecting and that happened to me, so I had to call Doug and very embarrassed I told him I could not fulfill my commitment, ......which I still regret to this day.

As they say...................time waits for no one, so to make a long story shorter....................... life took another turn, more positive this time and I had an opportunity to buy the Ault & James (Angelo Dicarlo) 63 Corvette.

I've owned the car for a couple years now and with the help of my friends Jerry Ault and his crew chief Dave Thomas I have returned it to its original 1970s livery. When the car arrived at my house it was as Angelo had raced it, minus engine and transmission. Yes indeed it was a stunning car in that beautiful red color, but knowing the car's history I felt it deserved to be restored as it was most well known as the F/G and H/G Ault & James car.

I have owned Corvettes since 1968 when I was starting my senior year in high school.........................yeah, that was in the last century (LOL) but my passion for these cars has only grown stronger. In all my years of owning Corvettes, this experience with the Ault & James car is the ultimate of ultimates. I have made so many new friends including Jerry Ault and his wonderful family, Dave Thomas, many former racers in Ohio and of course Doug and Lynn Engels, who I met at the US Nationals in Sept 2021 when my grandson and I had the car on display.

Well..................enough of my rambling. I'll post a few pics of the car (when I learn how). I have a bunch of em but I don't want to monopolize this thread.

Thanks,
Rex Turner
Richmond, KY

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Great story, Shotgun 61. Looking forward to seeing your pictures.

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Here are a few pics........................... I'll post more if y'all want to see em. That's the man himself, Jerry Ault at 81 years young sitting in the car. He had not seen it since he sold it in 1978. This pic was at the Gathering of the Geezers event at Kilkare Dragstrip in Xenia Ohio in August 2020. It was an emotional day for all of us. Another pic is Dave Thomas, Jerry's good friend and crew chief, Jerry and yours truly. Thanks for allowing me to post this piece of drag racing history.
Rex

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That is so awesome, great pics, great car.

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Rex,
I'm so happy for you! That car is one of my favorite race cars of all time. I first saw it at the Summernarionals in the seventies.
Does is still have the Monarch Butterfly within the gas door?

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Thanks Frank. When I got the car it had (and still has) the stock 63 gas lid. I'm not aware of the butterfly you refer to, but I will inquire with Jerry and Dave and if it should be there....................we'll git er done. I want the car to be as accurate as possible. I talk to Jerry and Dave every week. Jerry has called me a half dozen times to thank me for saving and restoring his old race car. THAT, is a special feeling right there.

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Rex,

I trust that you met Bill Sheets back in August 2020 at Kilkare? He originally painted the car YEARS ago.

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Hi Todd. Yes, we met Bill .........GREAT guy and now a good friend. He actually still had some of the gold leaf he used when he painted the car in 1975. He sent it to me and Dauber used it when he lettered the car in 2020.

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More pics of the car in action...................

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Two photos of Brinkman's 1960 Corvette from the 2021 racing season. Both at Maple Grove Raceway.

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Hi Shotgun61,
I love what you did with the car.
I have a few questions since you are still in touch w/ Jerry Ault.

What size engine did they run in the 1970's?
Who built the engine and ported the heads and etc back then?
What kind of rpm did the Vette run through the traps and shift points and etc?

Thanks, RonP

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Hi Ron,

Thanks for your questions, Jerry ran mostly 277 engines but occasionally went up to a 287. He built his own engines and Batten did his heads. He said he left at 8500 and shifted at 10,500, 11K thru the lights. This was with a Dana 60 and 6.50 gear and Doug Nash 5 speed.

Thanks,
Rex