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Yes it does. Good catch!!
Note also the trunk trim/molding is different. Maybe updating the car? http://classracer.com/classforum/att...5&d=1504636825https://image.ibb.co/bM3Wya/FB_IMG_1501557307724_1.jpg |
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Landy won the 1968 Car Craft All Star award and the decals were proudly displayed on the windows of his race cars. Along with the rear window decal, there's are some other stuff that puts a signature to its first days. As mentioned a 69 tail panel along with 69 tailites were installed to appease Chrysler to stay updated to current model year. But you notice the auto car has round side markers, while the stick car has no side markers. Not sure why the 68 stick car had its markers filled in without the 69's installed, or why the auto car was converted to a 69 but the 68 markers remained. You will also note the wheel well trim on all corners. Dick first put trim on these cars because when he went to install slicks on one of them, the rough wheel well surgery done by Hurst cut the back of his hand. It is also still wearing its Cragars, WITH the signature DLI spinners. Also check out the b&M decals on side glass liteweight https://image.ibb.co/i0Uw65/dli_68auto.jpg |
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I was looking at the Pennzoil stickers on the rear quarter windows!
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We will probably never find all of them. This one is still MIA:
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Just playing with my new imgbb site.
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I was in the teardown barn at Indy sometime in the later 70's tearing down a SS/AA car that I maintained. We did not win class, but had qualified for the eliminator, earning a teardown. The SS/AA winner and runner up arrived, one of them was Max Hurley. There was a significant commotion around Max's car even before they started getting the engine apart. Very shortly a Chrysler representative shows up at our car with a West Coast tech man in tow. Tech man is told to ask me what the wheelbase is on a SS Dart. He does, and I answer 111 inches. Tech man argues with me about that, says the factory super stockers were 108 like the Barracudas. He knows that because back in 1968 Dick Landy told him so, and all of Landy's Darts were 108. My reply was Max had owned his car all of these years and pretty much every other Dart was 111 inches why did you let Landy decide your specs. They wanted to throw Max out for too long wheelbase. It was common knowledge at the time that the rear wheelwell trim on Dick Landy's Darts (and other Landy cars also) were to cover his modified wheelbase. The line about cut hands, and keeping the cars looking sharp for sponsors was just the smokescreen. |
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So... moving the rear axle forward 3" will put this tire pretty much flush to the front lower wheel well lip. Add to that another 1" or so (+clearance), for the taller slicks used. This 7,75X15 tire (Jim Schild´s SS Guide) is some 27" (my remark) tall.
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Allow me to relay another story of the creativity of those times. In the early 70's I went with another friend to pick up his SS Dart at the paint shop, during the paint process they naturally removed all of the glass and trim, breaking the windshield. Everyone thought that would not be an issue, the door glasses were the important pieces. When they went to install a new windshield the bare glass, without the gasket, overlapped the windshield pillars. The body shop was adamant that they wouldn't have broken the original windshield if it had not been single ply. It was only the outer layer of a laminated windshield, cut and polished to fit the opening. I filed that info away, and I will swear that I never used that one again. Who would dare not run safety glass in a race car. I do not know where the modifications to that car were done, or who did it. He brought that SS Dart, and one other, with him when he moved back East from California. |
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Tom Broome. Hey welcome here!!!. Always good to get new blood on this thread
I gotta disagree with with the words coming from that tech dude from days gone by. 3" is a helluva lot to move wheelbase for it to go unnoticed by someone. Games were always played by racers specially word games but when push comes to shove, I doubt the wheelbase was changed here. I have many dozens of pics of Landys cars,specially his Darts. Both the Auto and the stick car, & I just spent a lengthy time looking at them trying to see on at least one pic where this was evident. Not one pic shows that. And I know these cars pretty good. I owned the Landy stick Hemi Dart for awhile back in the 90's. I had Dick over at my place going through stuff on it and his other Darts, & this never came up in the conversations.Spoke with him on several occasions after that with same outcome. I don't own that car anymore, but I still have the original quarter panels from it hanging in my garage. The windshield deal did come up tho, and Dick did in fact use the single layer glass in his cars at one time. The pics below are only a couple I have of the 2 Darts and there is no way the axles are moved. liteweight https://image.ibb.co/iYZy3k/dli_68_stick3_2.jpg https://image.ibb.co/edRd3k/dli_68_stick_2.jpg https://image.ibb.co/jAu4b5/dli_68_auto3.jpg |
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"MR ED" is happy to be back to his original 4 speed configuration. Just a few more details to complete.
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Mr Ed looking good. Looks like same shifter boot I used. I just cut a small hole for the reverse lockout to go through.
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Have fun rowin' em. Your going to be busy....lol liteweight |
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never seen this pic before.Cool pic of this car. Thanks to SSSwede for sharing with me
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Dang! That's an early picture . Still has glass packs and turn downs hanging under it. Cool .
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Tom, think the wheelbase on the Hemi Darts has always been 110. That was the number we used in 1970 when I started working in Div ll. Shortened from 111 by Hurst per Chrysler. Not saying some were not maybe moved a little more. And some were moved forward front and rear but easily caught if you know how far the k-member should be from the core support. I know of 1 SS/DA Cuda caught at the Nation event In Sanair mid 70's. Was told to have it right at the next race. It was moved back and didn't effect the car at all.
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Stewart, you know I'm working off of a 40 plus year old memory on the wheelbase thing. I am sure that max Hurley's car was 111 (and they didn't like it) when they checked it. Landy's car was mentioned that day as the standard, and was enough shorter to matter to that tech man. It goes without saying that Dick Landy was an extremely creative racer, using him as a yardstick could be like using a Smokey Yunick car as a reference.
Warning, Thread drift, Excuse us for a minute, Stewart and I don't get together enough. Bogus SS/DA? Perhaps a local one to us? Tell me about SS/EA cars with over 2000 pounds on the rear wheels? You know which one, just not the first one that comes to your mind. |
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Not an Atlanta car, and I don't think he was from GA. As far as 2000lb on the rear that might be a little heavy. I seem to remember in the early 70's max weight allowed on the rear was 50% but I have slept since then so the memory is a little vague. If you get around Loganville give me a call for lunch. 678-873-6940.
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There was an Atlanta SS/EA car that would hook on ice. Thanks to the hidden weight box in the top of the gas tank (before fuel cells) and quarter panels beat in and filled with bondo.
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I'll let Stewart answer those for you. But that SS/EA would hook everywhere. At Chrysler tests that thing always got the 50 foot clocks with the rear tires. |
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I'm wondering if we're thinking of the same SS/EA car...might still be in competition as a BA car...? |
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I saw one of Kennys cars at Atlanta Speed Shop. I remember it being the tallest back end I ever saw on a Dart. Still leafs back then. As for the 2 EA's in Atl. The first that Terry Earwood won Indy with has been totally restored as original and was a featured car in BJ Scottsdale this winter but didn't meet the reserve. I talked to the owner before the auction but he didn't say what it was but it was no sale at 1+ M. Who new a $2400 used car would be worth. The second was owned by Mike Bogina but I don't know if it is still in his family since his death.
It was hard to get the 71 convert as heavy as the Mopar claimed so maybe a little weight might have been somewhere in the back half but I don't remember any bondo on rear renders. The interesting rear fenders were on the SS&DI or CarCraft SSDA Cuda that Randy Scott owned. The Legal Eagle. That car had 12.2W's with no frame rail work. E body folks know it won't fit but they did. Randy always said it just took the right offset wheels. Nooooo. |
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Steve,I didn't say it was or wasn't Kenny Nichols. I just said I wasn't doing Kenny Nichols stories. We do know who was involved in the Car Craft Legal Eagle project don't we. See a trend there? I always heard the SS/EA with bogus quarter panels was from up North. There is a body filler heavier than Bondo. Something about quarter skins? |
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I had moved to Colorado by the time the 2nd EA was built I think. Don't know alot about it. I ran into Terry Earwood last week at a Skip Barber liquidation sale near Road Atlanta. Still great to hear his stories. I may need to have him educate me a little next time I see him.
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Not sure. Looks a little low in the back.
In 1971 I had a 68 dart GTS 340 4sp car but I wanted a SS clone. Barnett had changed his dart to a 70-71 as did Whisnant for Pro Stock so I got the K member and brake setup and headers from Warren and the front fenders and hood from Reid and built a clone for the street. Hemi with crossram and holleys from Bill Tanner, 12.5-1 piston and an Isky cam. Had to carry extra plus due to fouling but it was fun. Had 3.23 and 4.89 chunks. Got drafted in 72 sold it and never heard of the car again. For about a year, that was my only car. I was in college so I didn't drive a lot. I was working for Buster Couch in Div ll and we had a race in Nashville, think it was an Honest Charlie National Open. Mike Couch and I drove up in the dart. Mike was around 17 and had a 69 Charger RT 440 but it was in the shop. All I heard about all the way up was how fast his Charger was so when we left the track I decided to shut him up. Got on the ramp to the interstate and I turned it loose. I was not going to lift until Mike said something. Finally somewhere north of 100 Mike said he thought maybe the dart was a "little" faster than the Charger. I did the build in the back of Barnetts shop and one afternoon I went to work on it and Earwood had borrowed my valve covers for an undisclosed reason so I was down until a new set arrived. Part of my free rent I guess. Those were fun times. |
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Remeber anything on this one Stewart.
Reportedly in Barnetts back yard back in late 60's????. Kirk Barnett does not Note Ronnies RO behind it liteweight https://image.ibb.co/gNaTb5/lo23_green_kirk_barnett.jpg |
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I'm with Kirk. Doesn't ring a bell. Only green one I remember was Wayne Daukin (sp) modified but I think his was Bill Tanners dart.
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