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64 Plymouth.

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Fred Englehart now has it for sale for $225K.

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Buy it now says $215K .

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Need your opinion here, guys- my Dart is nearly ready to hit the local dragstrip this early summer. Getting upgraded axles now, and the guys working on my car are worried that the Cragar rims just wouldn't be safe with the hp and tire I will be running (950 hp, 604 stroker hemi with cross ram, and 14" slicks). Even modifying them, with bolts ran through the bell, as LiteWeight has suggested, they don't want to take the chance. A shame, since I had just bought a new set of Cragars and slicks. I still have a really nice set of SuperTricks that my car came with, but I really wanted a "1960's" look; not a "1970's" (or later) look. Any suggestions? I thought about just running plain black wide steelies, since my current paint scheme is the original primer gray and black...

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Didn't know they made a Cragar to fit a 14' slick. I say go with Cragar fronts and steelie backs or Super Tricks on all 4 corners.

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Keystone Klassics!
Or maybe some Torque Thrust style.

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I've never been a fan of the Keystone Klassics for some reason, but those are great suggestions! I'm going to have to play around with Photoshop on the Torque Thrust idea. Thanks!

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Yep, here are some photos of my car, since all of my old ones are now defunct, thanks to Photobucket. Some old shots, and some even older shots, and some recent ones, in my lower garage with the new Cragars and slicks on. I need to get some photos and video uploaded with the new engine sometime soon. thank you.


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4608/...d14f62a6_z.jpgIMG_0320 by William Brunner, on Flickr






https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4705/...96a85f5f_z.jpgIMG_0343 by William Brunner, on Flickr








https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4710/...69a21f46_z.jpgIMG_0346 by William Brunner, on Flickr








https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4604/...2a622938_z.jpgIMG_0754_zpsst024nwu by William Brunner, on Flickr








https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4758/...43008c6b_z.jpgIMG_0757_zpsryi5ww0h by William Brunner, on Flickr






https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4654/...71e95640_z.jpgIMG_2304 by William Brunner, on Flickr








https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4696/...1843b901_o.jpgdicksmith by William Brunner, on Flickr






https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4671/...4f0b45fb_c.jpghighresDickSmith by William Brunner, on Flickr








https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4665/...c0b0fdcd_c.jpgFile3189_XL by William Brunner, on Flickr

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I fully understand where your concern is Clint and I wont want to tell you that they will be safe to run. That motor is making alot of power andeven tho these were run on cars including Pro Stocks in 1970 like Landy, Sox, Jenkins and many more that used to side step the clutch at 6,000???( I'm only guessing here) those rims never broke. BUT they didnt have the tire technology or size that is available today.

liteweight

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I really do like that look- thanks!

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So, long time friend and previous owner of my car Tim Hennessey emails me this morning with a bunch of very old but very cool old pictures originating from Hurst by a guy inside who was working on them at the time. I will post a couple at a time. Each one is full of neat **** to be seen about the process these cars went through.


This one still has the steel front fenders on it The rear wheel modifications are complete but it looks like it still has the shorter A Body differential in it. Interesting the doors are off it here.
Engine compartment excluding rad cradle are painted black and inside wheel wells and interior and door jambs are still in grey primer. No splash panels installed here either. No quarter glass or weatherstripping extension




This one you can see a 4 spd tunnel that looks like it is bare steel unlike the grey primer painted interior around it. This was before anything inside was painted black.
You can see the red disclaimer decal on the door jamb.
You can see the wider B Body diff( in this case would be a Dana60) installed with the special offset rear wheels



So why the bare 4 spd. hump? My thoughts are this was added at Hurst. I think it left Chrysler tagged as an automatic but someone ordered a 4 speed and Hurst did not have any factory assembled 4 speed bodies ready to go or in inventory so they ordered up the pedals and the tin hump which would of come right off the assembly line I'm thinking. Probably a factory backed racer like Sox & Martin or ????
This is how my old Landy car that was tagged as an automatic but never had an automatic installed in it from new started its career. BUT that one also never had any kind of drivetrain installed in it in Detroit. It was sent by aircraft as a rolling shell to Dick in California for him to assemble as a running car.
Wish I could see the pedal area better


liteweight

stay tuned. Theres more to come. And photobucket can't touch these...lol

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WOW! Great stuff, right there. Thanks! Can't wait for more.

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The ride continues. Just when there is a question of "what else is out there" in mind...... Here comes a REALLY cool bunch of historical pictures from out of nowhere.

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Yes, thanks so much for posting these Daryl !

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My pleasure gentlemen. I love getting new pics of these things. As you know there are only so many out there. I am amassing a pretty extensive file of pictures of both BO29 & LO23 cars. Most newly found pics are coming from pricate individuals who attended various racetracks across the country watching these cars run back then. Some are very cool pit shots.
Most are of previously found cars but at various time periods. Some of these cars changed ALOT over a short time frame. The factory backed and sponsored teams changed the most.
All the above has actual two fold reasoning. Firstly in the attempt to keep fresh content ongoing here, But also I am still in the quest of finding more pics of my car. Not doing so well on the second part.
When these Hurst facility pics were sent my way by Tim, I had to share them here first, because of the faithfull followers that has become home base for those interested in these things. I wont share them anywhere else publically until you guys get to see them first.


liteweight

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Loving this!

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Daryl,
As you know, I have had copies of these original pics for some time now. I think that the 4-speed hump was installed at Chrysler - note that the hole has been covered with cardboard. I looked at my pics and there is not an auto brake pedal shown in the car.
Note that there are steel fenders on both cars. Dave Koffell told me that one of the first projects he had when he started at Chrysler was to get rid of these steel fenders and doors from these cars. You would think that they would have put them back in the Chrysler system - possibly through the parts division but for some reason they couldn't. He said alot of them went in dumpsters.
Mark Janaky
1968 Hemi S/S Registry

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Easy…set of lightweight tires and contemporary racing rims for the track. old school for the street and shows.

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Thanks for posting. Very interesting indeed…

Since the engine compartment is painted black, (pictures above) and warranty disclaimer decal is put on, I want to think car will not return to the paint boot, and will be delivered this way.
I always thought door jambs were painted black as well, but I dug out this early pic of Landy´s auto Dart showing maybe this wasn´t the case. Or maybe some were painted black and some were in primer… on the other hand, I have never see any signs in old pics, of black paint anywhere inside the car. So it makes sense door jambs were left in primer too.

Second pic is of the same car, and how we are used to see them.

I also come to think of the Vanke Barracuda, restored by Hodge Restorations a few years ago. Car has door jambs in primer, and probably for a reason…

As for the paper on the hump of the BO29 shown above, my guess is it is the hand written “build check sheet”.

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Hey Mark
Welcome back my friend.
I do remember seeing the pics you have, but that was a few years ago. I usually cant remember where I put that 1/2" wrench last time I used it...lol. And you think I will remember those from back then.....hahaha. Not likely my friend. I've never had a good memory. Now at 60 years old its way worser. I'm quessing they could be the same ones I got from Tim then?

Re: the BO29 tunnel. I see the cardboard now that you mention it and looks like racers tape holding it down but I'm still of the belief that tunnel is in bare tin. It doesnt look primered like the rest of the car. I cant make out the pedal in it. You fiqure its an automatic pedal.??? So it could be a automatic car converted to a stick then

liteweight

I have a guy who is VERY GOOD with cleaning and clarifying old pictures. I was in contact with him this morning. He volunteered to do these. Yup always good to "know a guy who"...
So before I post any more I will wait to see his completed art.

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ssswede

You make valid possibilitys for sure. Always open to new set of eyes and possilities.
If you remember Hodges restoration on Vankes Barracuda it also had a grey primer engine compartment. BUT this car was painted in the other cars paint scheme he had. Not the scheme this one had laid on it when Arlen owned it.
I doubt any of these cars seen any kind of paint booth after they left Chrysler. I'm thinking the employees loaded up a paint gun wherever the car was at that particular time, gave the area a quick wipe down with the rag they had in they're back pocket and then pulled the trigger. I'm thinking there were no specific painters there that did only paint but rather the same person who was working on that particular car at that particular time when it needed that job done to it. You gotta remember this was not a factory assembly line where everything was done (for the most part) the same. These things were all hand modified and as such some were probably done with more finese than others were depending on the guy working on them. I am sure there are no 2 that left Hurst exactly the same. Yup they were crude no doubt.
Funny thing...... this is a few of the reasons why I think they are so cool today

liteweight

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Good buddy and expert old photo repair and enhancement Robin McQueen has volunteered to bring these old Hurst photos back up to a cleaner and better clarity picture.
He is VERY good at his craft. I can hardly wait to get them back.

liteweight

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Mark, a question regarding the automatic cars. Did the floor have the hole in it for the factory console shifter? and if so was this the location were the shift cable was routed thru?

Thanks
Bob

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Yes, what you describe is probably a good picture of what happed.
Well, my expression about the paint boot was more like a figure of speech. I was with my post hoping someone would shed some light on the Warranty Disclaimer Decal.
But I guess few if anyone really know what or how it happened in that barn :)
In my book, your picture, together with what I have dug out on my own, is enough for me to check my assumption as verified.

Again thanks for the pictures.

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I have been requested to give credit of these pictures to the person who shared them to Tim Hennessey, Bob Buntin. Thankyou Bob and Tim . They have been watermarked so

Pictures supplied by Bob Buntin, shared by Tim Hennessey, clarified by Robin McQueen

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So I posted the below images on my facebook page after I posted them here. I made a comment of " sure wish I could read the sheet on the windshield" and I get this as a response....LOL Damnn near fell off my chair

liteweight

https://image.ibb.co/g3j3gS/27545504...17876284_n.jpg

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I'm on a continuing search for pictures for both my Dart and for new content to post here. It is definitely getting tougher as there are only so many cars and so many pictures out there, but sometimes genies do pop up in different places, but facebook seems to be the absolute king of new material where guys are posting stuff they've located in old drawers in their toolboxes or chest in the attic.

In my daily search today I ran across an old aquatence from here that has a trophy he won at Mopar Nationals in 1991.

There is a definite resemblance of the picture that Greg Rager took of it during its first public showing at the Nats in 1987

there is a whole story to be told about that picture taken on an airstrip that has been described as " leaving tire marks on the roof of the Dart". I will share at a later date

https://image.ibb.co/k6tpYk/tim_hennessey1.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/mhXpMS/trophy_m...ats_1991_1.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/fSxdFn/trophy_mopar_nats_1991.jpg

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Been an interesting day. Came across this one. At first I thought it was a clone car till I looked at the display stand in the second picture.LO23M8B297899
There's a few things that I found interesting in this post that came up. Time span of this was a Wisconsin Car show Aug.1991\
. Also when you read the display sign the owner of the car lists it as 1 of 80. This is interesting because it validates the owner knows the amount of cars built. ALOT of people think even today there were only 50 built. Even owners of these cars are of that belief today. To know there were 80 back in 1991, the owner was educated in these things.
Just by chance a fellow who was parked beside this Dart showing his car, at this show by the name of Scott Buckley, started making replies on this thread about that show,that Dart, and its owner Clinton Johnson Jr.. Apparently Clinton did a lot of street racing with this car up in Chicago. I asked Scott to stop by and share some of those stories here. Sounds like those conversations were very interesting.
I asked Scott if he knew what happened with this car after. He replied that he never heard anything of it or the owner after that show in 1987.
Now, if you look at the last picture on this post you will find a list of winners for that particular show. Scott won 1st place with his 69 cuda while Clinton with the Hemi Dart won 2nd.
Now if you go to the next post below you will find the Trophy that Scott won at that show in 1991. The one with that Ole Red Dart of Tim Hennessey from a picture at Mopar Nats in 87 on the front of that trophy.

Does anyone recognize this orange Dart. Mark Janaky or Dell Jones?? Is this a real one or is another one I'm thinking it might be that showed up at a race track in Ohio around that time. If so what car these numbers come from?

liteweight



https://image.ibb.co/jcZavn/LO23_M8_...Johnson_jr.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/j8e8Fn/LO23_M8_...hnson_jr_1.jpg

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Daryl,
Its real, I have spoken to Clinton
Mark Janaky
1968 Hemi S/S Registry

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That display sign looks just like the one for the Hemi Dart I saw at New England Dragway 2 or 3 years ago, although it may be a different car. I have more pics on my PC up north. I talked to the couple that own it. When I get back home, I'll have to look for the pics, and I thought I or someone else posted a pic of it on this thread.

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the vin on the sign is 297899

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thanks for bringing those Facebook finds over to this forum and this record setting thread…for us non face bookers who aren't very social media savvy.

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So it is. Fat finger small phone screen syndrome . Thanks Marfen. Its been corrected

liteweight

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Here's the next set. After dissecting these for whatever I can find this is what I have
come up with. Always open to new set of eyes that may see something I"m missing.
- I am seeing 4 Darts in this pic. The one closest must be very near to completion since it has the Super Stock trunk mounted battery in it now ..
-Trunk floor and lid are now painted black.
-The car jacked still has its steel front fenders on it and the ]


-This pic shows what looks to be an automatic car with a 8 3/4 in it. IHard to really tell the width of it but if I were a gambling man it looks the B Body width.
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Pictures supplied by Bob Buntin, shared through Tim Hennessey and clarified by Robin McQueen

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Since it was recently mentioned again, it sounds as though you know where this one is.



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Nice catch Charlie

liteweight

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what track is that? there seems to be snow!

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Just to kick an old can down the road again( we looked at this way back when ) this story mentions this west coast Dart had "brushed a wall" at some point.
It and a pile of parts was sold and was taken back to Atlanta area and repaired.
Did it ever get identified as to whose it was originally and where else it had been?


http://www.dragracingscene.com/featu...pace-and-time/




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Does anyone recognize this orange Dart. Mark Janaky or Dell Jones?? Is this a real one or is another one I'm thinking it might be that showed up at a race track in Ohio around that time. If so what car these numbers come from?

liteweight



https://image.ibb.co/jcZavn/LO23_M8_...Johnson_jr.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/j8e8Fn/LO23_M8_...hnson_jr_1.jpg

https://image.ibb.co/k4zm1S/LO23_M8_...ohnson_jr2.jpg[/QUOTE]

I posted some info on this car awhile back, but can't find the post.
I remember the owner of the car tell me he did some match races against Dick Landy back in the day.

The first pic above is from the same show i was at in Lockport, Illinois.
The second pic is later at a different location?