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Thanks for the feedback.
Don Compilito had problems with their 12 bolt.

I have Moser Axles, Studs, mini Spool.
Replaced a set as they were discovered bent installing broken Studs.

What did you do to make it reliable?

D

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anyone calling frank castros a dummy needs a div #1 stock/ss history lesson from 1980's & 90's. max wedge mopars.

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Contact you. What are you talking about?
I connected on the fact that YOU DONT RACE.
Delusional Dan.
Keep up the good work.
Nhra has a crate motor class. FS/.cla$$e$. Join in

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Dan---Read the latest post on the Carolina Class Racers Association . Salvation for reginal IHRA cars if supported.

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Thanks Danny;
If they do will plan a visit.
A bit far but be cool to run see Grice and Butler again.
Then of course the unbituitous and famous Charlie Brown 57 Wagon.
They are the some of the funnest racers to hang around with.

D

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In case you guys didn't see the schedule, CCRA will have their season finale at VMP the first weekend in November. 1/4 mile racing at a great facility.

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What time does VMP have Qualification Runs on Saturday and Sunday?

D

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Time runs start at 11 on Saturday but I haven't seen a schedule for Sunday.

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I hate to revive this post thats almost 8 years old but i have to comment for the lost racers of IHRA stock. Its unbelievable how we are treated like outcasts that live in the land of misfit toys. Im 37 years old....got involved in IHRA Stock in 2008. Built a crate motor because i liked the idea. Ran .5 under my first year and was so proud but i wanted more. Worked on it, spent the money, did the research, lots of dynoing. Fast forward to 2016. Set the H/CM record in the worst conditions possible. It was like i won the world series. Something ill hold and be proud of for the rest of my life. So no im not looking for a pat on the back or a hero biscut. But my question is how many people in the 25 to 35 age group are building a stocker? Second question...how many NHRA stock racers are in the age group of 60 and up? What im trying to say is without bringing the IHRA combos into NHRA what will happen in 10 years? 20 years. Its a dying sport already. We need to stick together and help eachother out here. Have a look at the latest Nitro Joes and see how many CM / Pure Stock / GT Stock racers there are and now have nowhere to race. Sure NHRA purists will say who cares but we are all in this for the same reasons....because we live and breathe stock eliminator. We love the class. And no...crate motors are not the same as circle track crate engines....the combos are IDENTICAL to a traditional stocker build, just has a different casting number on the head. Imagine if the tables were turned here. Im sure alot of you were around when modified had their cords cut...probably not that great of a feeling. This is not any different. And no going bracket racing (et1 and et2) isnt an option id rather park it. If we were to be accepted into NHRA (by the negative feedback stretching back to 2009 it will never happen) we would already have to be hit with 3 tenths off the index. Reset the HP factors and go. Theres zero to loose and everything to gain here. And all kidding aside we are less of a threat then the super charged entrys of todays factory hotrods which i believe should have their own deal personally. Just a thought fellas.

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So you ran a 68 Camaro in Crate motor, and the engine is identical to a NHRA engine, other than the head castings? Piece of cake!! Lift up that cast iron intake manifold and QJet, replace your illegal heads with pair of easy to find GM castings, and away you go!!! Then you can play with all the other 350 68 Camaros in F,G, and H/SA. Good luck!

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Concur !
FWIW I am gathering information focused on reviving the concepts of Pure Stock, Junior Stock and Crate Motor under one Class Structure.
If NHRA becomes interested can be merged into existing NHRA Classes Indexes.

One of the key elements developing rules are for the newer cars.
Would create a Bolt-On Class for Stock.
Reviving the Junior Stock for cars using the Blueprinted Cams.
Adding CM engines to add to the mix.
Use a Max Seat Pressure Spring Rule toning down the cam and add mufflers.

Cost effective, reliable, fun.
Classes that does not require fragile pitchy super high winding expensive Stocker Engine.
That was what Modified Production was suppose to be.

Looking at the 2066 and new generation aspirated cars like Chevy SS, Cudas, Darts, Mustangs, Caddys that have V-6's and V-8's.
Several racers were trying to get their late model combinations certified by IHRA before the boom.
Lot of Stocker guys had the new cars and wanted to race them in Pure Stock.
Got calls on it often.

The new cars and racers are the cornerstone of the future.
Flexibility of being able to use a larger engine in GT or easy to get CM helped IHRA a lot.

The new generation of kids are not going to build a $50,000 Stocker.
They will buy a new car add headers, gears, converter, slicks, tune.
Most are driveway mods and are racing then at the local tracks.
These Bolt On Classes were the rage when the LT1 Camaros and B-Bodys came out in the late 90's early 2000.

Another sources of cars are PureStockDrags.
Have been collaborating with some of the key members.

Crate Motor and GT were great ideas to extend Stock.
Loved the fact you can pop in a 455 in place of a 305 or 350.

Aftermarket industry loved the CM cars.
Now producing new Aluminum Replacement Heads based on original castings.
Stock Ports, Combustion chamber and screw in studs.

I see in the future a new rule coming allowing these Head Replacements and even intake manifolds for Stock.
Good original castings are scarce competing against the restoration industry.

One other thing and was a very true statement.
Most of us are well over 50, 60 and 70 years old.
In the next ten years most of us will be making other decisions.

Regardless if the new generation of racers are not invited they will look at other venues.
You have to market and sell to this generation or they will not come.

AND one day Class Racing will become a note in History Books.

D

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Tony (Cratemotor), many of us have to wonder why anybody would build a car that could only run with one association? Why would a person not simply build one that could run with anywhere?

NHRA has so many classes, and cars (compared to IHRA) that why would anybody want to add more classes?

And our hard working tech people have to keep up with even more combinations?

I have been doing this since 1962, and have now seen both AHRA & IHRA come and go. Both had some "unusual" classes.

Logical thing to do would build a car that could run anyplace. Not expect others to make new rules to accommodate your poor choices.

You can't just make your car a legal Stocker?

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Dan! I think you nailed it! I've got to start spinning the guts out of my stuff and paying more for it! I'm just having too much fun.

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Sadly, no they won't.

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^^^
My new stocker (older car) AA, A or B/A car is being built with an eye toward other classes if I don't want to run in stock only. It can go S/ST, NE, D-gas, brackets etc. and can be easily made street legal. Yea it's going to cost about 50K but that's probably less than a new car (Corvette, Mustang, Challenger) would set you back.

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Nope. The next generation of kids are spending half that, to race for twice as much.

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X2 And I have seen your car run @ TMP a few years ago, as much fun to watch as the NHRA stockers that I cherish.

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Their isnt a legal camel back head out there that will outflow a bone stock 350 vortec off a pickup truck. Having said that the compairable engine that you discribe for my car is a 295hp combo....i naturally carry 330hp factory rated and at one point is was 340....settling down currently at 334hp. The step backwards without having exotic backwoods wichcraft heads and intake would be staggering. Sure there is guys out there that run fast with that combo however i really didnt want to have to start all over again.

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You asked me this before like im some kind of moron. 2016 Nitro Joes shows over 50 CM cars. So i guess im not the only one who chose to back myself into a corner. In my geographical area we have (had) 2 tracks with in 3 hours driving distance that have (had) IHRA National or divisional races. So it made sence for me to build an IHRA combo. Plus, without making excuses, there is also 4 or more dirt circle track and 1 ashfalt track in a 5 hour radius so alot of the good castings have gone away with that stuff so yes it next to impossible to find heads and intakes. 330hp Crate motor uses 2 castings found on 96 and up 5.7L vortec engines and they flow real well and there is lots available. So it made sence at the time to move forward with the crate engine combo. And as for the hard working NHRA officials its maybe 10 more engines (ford, dodge and GM) that are identical to whats already there inspection wise. Your making it sound like we have some exotic stuff that is space age.

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Thanks for all your hard work! Maybe some day we wont be the black sheep of the herd. I cant believe how stubborn some people are when it comes to this stuff. Its the same as a traditional stocker with more HP, weight and if accepted 3 tenths off what the IHRA index was....so my stocker that will run .9 under is now .6 under....wow thats a huge threat on the qualifying sheet. Way less of a threat that any Copo or Drag Pack.

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A drag pack, copo and cobra jets are nothing but crate motor cars.

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Thanks! We have worked real hard on it the last 9 years to make it what it is hence why im trying to voice my opinion. With the driving costs of fuel, parts, life in general its not easy to swallow the fact that we are being told we need a whole new combo to come play or dont play at all when at the end of the day its just numbers...numbers on parts which will create more numbers (racers) on the qualifying sheets. All theres old 60s parts are drying up not to mention that they are 50 years old and junk. Its a dying class...there isnt any teenagers that even understand what a stocker or super stocker really is...they understand John Force....nitro...pokemon, video games. They go get a hotdog when stock is called to the lanes. They use the bathroom when Suoer Stock is called. And lets not even talk about what they think when a throttle stop car goes down the track they think its broke. We need to have a more open mind about this instead of being so bias. Since ive started ive got alot of younger guys involved. I just talked a real close friend into buying a car and building a crate combo....bought the car...bought some parts...IHRA pulls out and hes stuck building a 305 or nothing at all now. 1 person doesnt seem like an issue but hes not alone. And every year that goes buy theres less and less cars showing up....guys get old and retire, some god forbid pass on while all these IHRA racers are sitting around with their thumbs in their rear waiting on approval from the gods. We just want to race and have a place to feel acepted.

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WOW, 50 Crate Motor cars for all of 2016, NHRA had almost 1600 cars in their Stock classes in 2016, also according to the 2016 Nitro Joe Stats. What would have made more sense in my opinion, is if you would have built a NHRA legal combination to start with, you could have still ran IHRA, as well as NHRA events, and not had to complain about making a bad choice. Let me guess, when VCRs first came out, I bet that you chose a BETA system.

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Shame to have your class done away with like that. Last time I tried to run an IHRA race, I told my friends "This deal is dying." Never did get my check cashed.

Last time I looked Nitro Joe showed more than 50 cars in my class alone (SS/JA), more than all the crate motor cars.

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That sure is a mouthful. ouch.

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I didnt count GT Stock or Pure Stock but it still wouldnt add up to the 1600 that apparently made the call to the lanes in 2016 acording to below. More races, wider spectrum and more land to cover in NHRA. Guess ill go bracket racing...same as you guys. Have fun. Headed to the rec room now to watch Caddyshack on Beta.

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Tony, I cannot understand why you would not take a year and make your car legal for NHRA.
Along with the CanAm series, there are are two "Opens" close by and several races in the North Eastern US.
If you wanted to attend every one of them, you would not have enough time in the season.

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True

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Wanting another racing association to add new classes for you guys sounds kinda like a Liberal deal, doesn't it? LMAO

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Agreed

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Then why do you want to be a part of it?

The choice was made by racers to build an IHRA only car or a NHRA car (that would be legal at IHRA) Some choose the IHRA rout that's fine. Now IHRA said screw you and they are pissed at NHRA and the NHRA racers. Shouldn't you all be pissed at IHRA and maybe a little at your self for the choice you made. I seriously considered the CM option when there were some tracks in my area as I would love to use a Holly carb, But I decided that I was much better off with a combination that could be raced with either sanction. I did race with IHRA when they had divisional races in my area. They left I didn't leave them. But I was sure glad I made the right call on what car to build.

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Buddy im far from pissed at NHRA however they way their "sportsman" racers carry themselves on an open forum about possibly allowing IHRA racers enter their world is discusting. Im glad i built an ihra combo because i met alot of great tech officials and racers and made alot of friends. Im kinda glad i didnt build an NHRA combo because i cant imagine what its like hanging out with you guys when the races are done. Pass the Grey Poupon. When i do come race ill park on the road so you dont have to smell whats left over from my IHRA crate motor days. Id like to do a count of how many times ive been asked why i built a crate motor combo and why i built an IHRA only combo. Who cares. Question is why is it ok to have stocker with parachutes but a brand specific replacement engine offered by the manufacture combination is no good? Because NHRA never asked for your opinion they dont care what you think. There going to do what makes money and not worry what the entry level classes think. Imagine if NHRA folded up their sportsman classes to go forward with pro classes only. IHRA officials and racers would welcome you with high 5s, hand shakes and a cold open beer (for after the races lets make that clear) even if you had NHRA specific class allowances. Thats fact.

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Tony, I understand your frustration. However, we all made choices when we bought or built our cars. After much soul searching I decided to look for or build a NHRA legal car as it allowed me to run in Brackets, IHRA and NHRA. For someone starting out, it was not the cheapest choice, but the best choice.
Since my purchase, I have not stopped pouring money into my project in order to make it more user friendly, more consistent and quicker, all with the same thought of ensuring that the final product is NHRA Legal and can qualify at an event.
It really does not matter where I qualify on the ladder, just that I qualify and get to race at the NHRA event.
The IHRA and NHRA were two different organizations, in competition with each other for attendance and the all mighty dollar. The IHRA lost the fight. From what I have seen, in my short time participating at this level, it was strictly due to lack of participation.
I really do not care what John Force, or any of the Forces do, as long as I have a place to race.
I'm not sure why you think that he NHRA should just pick up your or any other IHRA class. From what I can see, they have enough classes and more participants than there are spaces.

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Wouldn't you have met all the same people if you had a NHRA legal car running IHRA?

I really don't care I don't take the car out much (still have it pretty much ready to go anytime I wish) I have no want or desire to run national events. Divisional races and local combos is more to my liking. I could care less if the combos allow IHRA cars.
I think the issue most have with allowing the IHRA cars is National event entries are getting hard to come by and they don't want it to get any worse.

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What im saying hypithetically is if there was NHRA specific classes that IHRA didnt contest. Thats what i meant. Yea buddy combo races are where its at now unfortunatly for the blue collared racer like yourself and me. Thats all we have time for or can afford in the budget and im ok with that i think they are great.

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There is no point banging on the NHRA racers because you may have an obsolete race car. The crate motor racers still have options. They can switch over to Stocker motors. They can start their own racing association. They can attend bracket races. They can sell their cars and buy Stockers or they can quit. Just to name a few. It's not that hard to figure out. But banging on the NHRA racers won't change a thing.

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^^^^^ There ya go!

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Agreed