Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

I know Roy well....He likes to drink more than talk......LOL. Great machinist.

Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

I believe that is correct about both Hoffman and Tryson at Jenkins' shop - no CK10. Extreme care however to get the cylinders so that they would be as round as possible after assembly.

Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

Sunnen CK-10,
What I should have stated,,,,,,,it made things a little easier,,,,,
than honing with a hand-held Craftsman drill,,,,especially on regular engine rebuilds.
And if the wrong machinist was operating the CK-10,,,,,,,,tapered cylinder walls,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,:eek:

We followed the old rule,,,,,,,,if we were going .040 over,,,,,,,,
Bore the cylinder with a Rottler boring bar .034 over to get a proper
'square cylinder'......
and the final .006 were honed,,,,,,,,,
and don't forget the B-H-J block plate,,,,,,,,,
I think we used #AN-400 or AN-500 stones for the Sunnen Hone,,,,,
Extra-fine finish 400 grit,,,,or the 'N' series stones

Before the Sunnen CK-10, my father like many machinists,,,,,,used the old school
Sunnen portable honing stand,,,,,a Craftsman drill and the Sunnen AN-111 portable
hone,,,,,,,,,,,,,a nice finish and beautiful cross-hatch,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but what a mess with
that Sunnen Honing Oil,,,,,,,,oil soak-filled pants, shirt and shoes,,,,,,GEEZ

Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

That honing stand kept you from hitting the main caps and chipping the honing stones......X's 2 on the mess.

Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

Mr. X,,,,,

On hitting the main cap or block web,,,,,,,,,,,,,sometimes you still hit
those 'bastards',,,,,,,,,,man, my father would scream,,,,,,,
and them stones weren't cheap,,,,,,,,,

When the CK-10 first came out, the Sunnen Rep (Frank Stiemstress, sic) sold them like crazy,,,,,,,,,,
About $8000 for one, back in the early 70's.

Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

Heh Heh yeah Ive chipped a few in my day to. In fact I still have my hone.

Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

Back To Jack Werst and the 70' Superbird,,

Information from a Jack Werst article,,
1) The Superbird was an original 4-speed Hemi car.

2) In August 1970, the car underwent a 4-week preperation, to get ready to compete at the 70' Indy Nationals. It's primary goal, to specifically go after Ray Allen in the SS/EA class, and hopefully knock him out, so the other Mopar Super/Stockers would have an easier road to go in
S/S Eliminator.

3) According to the article, the Hemi engine installed in the Superbird
was a 'bit' bigger than stock. But an exact displacement was not
mentioned.

4) Modifications included;
*) a set back engine
*) JR Headers, w/special bends, required as the engine was set back)
*) wheels re-positioned
*) a 300 lb. tail wing
*) a 'super heavy' back window (1/2" thickness, double-glass)
*) lightened nose-piece (.018" thickness, 60% lighter than the standard nose-piece)
*) light sheet metal hood (.018" thickness, 60% lighter than the standard hood)
*) 'chemically engineered' doors and fenders (acid dipped)

Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

Terry,
A quick story on, Roy.
When I worked for Seri, Me and another guy would go in and set up the machines that the salesmen sold.

I called, Roy and told him I would be there on a monday. Roy, ask me how I was going to get to his place. I told him I would fly into Dulles and take a taxi to his place. Roy told me no way. I said what do you mean? Roy said fly into Dullas and take the blueline train to addison road. When you get there call me.

So I did. Roy came and picked me up and I spent one of the best weeks of my life with a good guy.


Roy, took me back to the motel every night as well as picking me up every morning. I lost contact with Roy and haven't spoken to him since 2001 or 2002.

Roy, told me lot of stories about drag racing and nhra in the 60's. He also had a few good Jenkins,stories from being a tech inspecter.

I think, Roy even built a few billet cranks for, Jenkins V-6 comp motors.

Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

Thats how I did it. I couldn't wait to use my new rottler F2B. I was used to using a kwik-way deck mounted boring bar.
After about 2 years of using my rottler I went back to my kwik-way.

With the kwik-way I would square up the decks on a storm85B mill with the BHJ tooling and then mount the kwik-way on the deck and bore the clyinders

In 1997 I brought a RMC1000 boring mill and never looked back. Jenkins helped me make that choice.

Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

Yes he is a great guy. I bought a new K.O. Lee seat and guide machine thru him in the late 1980's. He got me the good tooling for Hi performance work and Harley work. Had a few cranks done by him for my car and a few others. Its been maybe 19-20 years since I had talked to him. Heard a lot of cool stories from the 60's. Most of the guys used his shop then as there wasnt any other or better one around in the 60;s.