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Let's go back to national records being the indexes. Separate the men (women) from the boys (girls)!

I have my rain coat on now, let the crying begin!

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Glenn, I got no issue competing with legitimately factored engine combinations, maybe you missed the absurdly, preposterously factored line in my post. Cause anyone capable of simple math can clearly pick those out, and I know you to be very capable. Given the current state of art I can compete with any F/SA combination, what I can’t do is compete with D/SA & E/SA combinations allowed to run as an F/SA by virtue of corrupted factoring. Making us do so is not cool, one might even say it’s down right larcenous!

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The fundamental issue is the lack tear-downs and tech. I?m new to this but I believe the whole Idea of getting HP adjustments has been a foundational part of class racing. Having a standardized system that corrections are based off seems better than the opinion option of days gone by. In my opinion the real flaw is there is no option to have a correction reversed based on the current average of the combo. If the trigger involved a tear down to verify the legitimacy of the combo. There would be no need to reduce. That will never happen again or be an option.

I understand there are people out there much smarter and work way harder than I do to be fast. They should have no issue with a hp correction. They will continue to be smarter and harder working than the rest of us slow lazy guys. I will continue to work on my junk and get better. It would be easier to simply change combos and beat my chest about my intelligence. But then again I?m just a dumb farm kid with a combo that has been obliterated. I choose the path of perseverance and stupidity.

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Brian..LT1 and LS1 running against all the big block combos! I work on my junk too as much as budget will allow. I'm not as fast as you yet but if indexes get chopped .3 across the board...I might just own a couple of over priced bracket cars.

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I?ve reviewed a few final qualifying sheets from this years races. There are not very many cars that can?t run .2 under in SS and .3 under in Stock. On the ones I?ve looked at, including the 128 qualified field at Maple Grove, take out the cars that lift during qualifying and broke, the number is a very small percentage of Stock and SS racers that would be over the index after those reductions. So I don?t see the argument of losing a bunch of racers if the indexes got lowered.

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But why lose any?
What overall good for the class will it do?

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I would agree with you using either coast or the south. It would not affect as many racers with your environmental conditions. If I was smart enough to post an image I would show you qual sheets up here in the heat that a 1/4 of the field would be out of luck. Environmental conditions we run in are just different.

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Maple Grove was near sea level all weekend where as Numidia is typically near 4,000' all weekend and consider Stock does their qualifying 9-10am, that same car can't run that number at 4pm in July.

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Pretty simple actually.

Leave the indexes where they are and drop all the trigger points by 2 tenths. First one starts at -1.2 instead of -1.0 and so on. That way the fast guys can go up to that much quicker before being looked at or given H.P. Leave it like that for a year and see. Possible it may need to be dropped another 10th or more.

Currently the people close to getting hit are always lifting at 1000' and/or on the brakes or tuning their car(s) accordingly. Sounds almost like S/G not running trying to run under 9.90. Must be awful boring when the car can run quicker but you rarely(T & T, National Open, Bracket Race, Indy) get a chance to show what it has without getting penalized. And the worry on the way to get your time slip if you unfortunately went just a bit too fast. Can definitely see their point.

As far as when NHRA collects the data not sure on that one. -.65 to -.85 is not the answer though. Not a high or low enough range.

If they were to lower the indexes by .20 the fast people would then tune their cars to run back as close to the trigger point as they were before. Problem not solved and back in the same boat.

Not sure about the other divisions but D6 has a lot of Class Racers that will not be running in 15-20 years. Tons of grey out there. Can't see it getting any better as how many young fellas have the money or the time and patience to run a Class car. If we don't get a good amount of new blood running S/SS its not looking promising up in the Pacific Northwest.

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I don't see anyway lowering the indexes will increase car count and that is what we need.

I also think it will deter new racers from getting into Stock and Super Stock.

We need replacements for old guys like me that have aged out

Bill Lamb