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Mr. Montgomery does my alignment every year. I believe he told me that he bought the 65 tripple nickel new. It was originally an auto car but that index go hammered so bad in Gainesville that he converted it to an stick car, still has it and races it. The other 65, he bought after a guy rolled it, he still has it. The 68 he got new and started out as a ss car, then pro stock car then m/p car, still has it. Walking into his shop is like walking back in time.
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Dennis,
I have to go through my records. Either Jack or Ken was rolled by Dean Nicopolis 1967 Plymouth R/O Hemi car. The article stated it was only 3 weeks old. That car was an automatic. The second car was a 4-speed. Why does 'Knopf Plymouth' stick in my mind?? M68, Damn near every right side (passenger side) shock tower of those cars looks different. Too many different 'Ball-Peen' hammers. R/T, I could get in trouble. On the BO-29 Cuda's serial #'s. #126 went to Wilkes Motor Sales, Zainesville, Ohio #127 went to Myl Chrysler-Plymouth, Coraoplis, Pennsylvania As far as I know, both of these cars were delivered to the dealers. Tom Myl raced his for a short time. Wilkes sold their car to Arlon Vanke, his second Cuda car. pc |
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Nice, Mary Ann Foss,,, the Bellville Bell out of Ohio. Looks like the SS/BA "T" class run-off. Nice Photo's.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,The M68 shoots out photo's like the OCTO-MOM shoots out kids. PC |
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R/T,
Every car came from 1 of 3 possible locations. Larry Cooper, sponsorship DeLoach Dodge out Monroe, Lousiana. Larry Cooper as of Jan. 1970, was the SS/BA, NHRA MPH Record Holder. with a 134.87 mph |
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I didn't know who Octo-Mom was until a couple of minutes ago. Momma mia! :D http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/3...bandit1970.jpg M68 |
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Rich Brostek?? I thought Joe Jill drove.
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/7...nhemidart1.jpg Any idea who this is? I can only make out "Jerry's Automotive" on the door. http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/717/img030kj.jpg M68 |
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that last Barracuda is interesting. maybe the quarter panels say Colonial Auto Body?
check out the flared rear wheel openings, pin added to the middle of the hood and the single scoop support. also of note are the air cleaners or velocity stacks? on both the Barracuda and the Red Light Bandit are the Hurst/factory supplied exhausts. looks like they are just tied up under the cars. Dave |
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Colonial Auto Body (516) 822-4510 4 Burns Ave Hicksville, NY 11801 "Hello. Yes, I'm calling regarding a 1968 Hemi Barracuda..." M68 :) |
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M68,
Excellente' on the find. I identified this car awhile ago. I think this car is on the Long Island Drag Car, New York car site. Never could do the stamp/seal of approval on whether it was a true BO-29 car. Looks like SS/B on the "C" pillar though. The track, sure looks like New York National Speedway. Odd things; *) Flared rear wheel wells *) Odd hood scoop opening and single support post *) Those ain't mufflers under the car near the rear wheels. Look closer, those baby's are traction bars. AHHHHHHHH! Hicksville, L.I. very close to New York National Speedway Good find,,,,,,,,,,pc pc |
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R/T,
If you look at the purple Cuda. That is a Plymouth color. My mind is a blank on this. But what Mopar factory-racer utilized that color. That might help determine its origin. pc |
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Chuck's color is close, but of much higher quality. The paint quality on the Cuda posted is not the same. Anyone ever see "King Dart". Dark green, with gold lettering. Was at the 68' Indy Nationals. pc |
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Why were these cars placed in SS/BA then moved to SS/AA... What was running SS/AA at the time these cars came out?
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Please Please Please posts some of those videos you have.. You can load them to Photobucket..
I would love to see the cars back in the day before they were crazy modified... |
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Yes, Please post pics.
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What year were they allowed to tub the car? This the rules slowly progress to minitubs and factory frame, then full back half or was it like over night the cars were allowed to get tubbed?
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Black Hemi Dart,
Does your car still have the Carriage Towne CDJ decals on the sides? You bought that one from Pancake, correct? |
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Yes I got the car from Jim Pancake in Dec of 2005. We went to your fathers shop that afternoon when Jim's new car was still on the frame rack. I always wanted one of these cars and thanks to Jim I now have one. All of the lettering is off the car now, getting ready to put it on the street. I like to call it my, lets get a Hamburger car. Just put in 4 speed pedals this weekend. Always wanted to row a 4 speed behind a Hemi. It will be a pump gas motor with the sheet metal intake still on it.
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Did anyone ever find out where the "King Dart" car originated from.
It was at Indy in 1968. Green with "King Dart lettered in gold, with 'old English' style lettering.. Jocko, As for technical info. The 1968 '383' Barracuda weighed in at #3254 lbs. The 426 Hemi weighed #145 lbs. more than a 383. In theory, a 1968 Barracuda with a Hemi engine would in weigh in at #3399 lbs, without any weight lightening provisons. The 68' Race Hemi Barracuda weighed in at #3020 lbs. Which means, the Mopar Factory Race Techs were able to knock off #379 lbs. of weight off the car. The 68' Hemi Cuda's and Darts were approxiametely #400 lbs. lighter than the 65' Race Hemi Belvedere's and Coronets (Weight #3408 lbs.) PC |
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Since I have a larger picture of the King Dart there is a name on the door. It's Randy and Jim Miller. It shows a lady helping to push the car in the staging lanes. Maybe Sandy and Jim Miller?
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Black Hemi Dart,
I see that you are in Phoenix Az. Do you take your Dart out to any of the local car shows and hang outs? I would love to see it up close. if you are on the west side and you are looking to take it to a car show this weekend. There is a neat little one going on this Sunday at Greenway High School. I will be working the registration there. :D Yea I know, A shameless plug. Anything to see a real LO23 in person. Matt lookoutmcp@msn.com |
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the original 1967 meeting of the 68 Hemi Dart & Cuda
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Nitro Joe,
A great article from 1967. Who wouldn't have wanted to be a 'fly-on-the-wall' during those meetings. Closing in on the SS/BA ,,,,,"King Dart", Jim Miller,,,,Georgia-based ? pc |
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Hemi-Head,
The first 'Major' event for the 68' Race Hemi Cuda's and Darts was the 1968 NHRA Springnationals at Englishtown, New Jersey. Though the information is difficult to find, Don Grotheer won the SS/B class with the all-white 'Cable Chrysler-Plymouth' Cuda. He defeated Ronnie Sox in the Sox & Martin Cuda. Did he win out-right,,NO. Both cars ran under the index/record. Ronnie Sox won and went quicker in the SS/B Class Final, but lost due to the fact that he went further under the index than Don Grotheer. pc |
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If I am not mistaken, Sox and Grotheer ran their Barracudas through the semi finals at the 68 Springnats and right before the finals Sox's Cuda had a tire go flat. Sox used his 67 car (that was also entered and had been defeated earlier -possibly different driver) to beat Grotheer in the finals. I am not sure how legal it was to change cars but they must have gotten an OK.
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The King Dart was a St Loius based car - run by Jim & Sandy Miller. I belive that the Dart's name came from the dealership it was purchased at - King Dodge in St Louis - it still exists today.
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Mark J,
Glad to see your back on the thread:). Can't seem to find any lettering on the 'King Dart', regarding location. Some distorted lettering the quarter-panel. Possibly Kings-Highway, St. Louis. Another James Miller ran a Hemi Dart in the Atlanta area. Can't find any history though. Paul |
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Hemi-Head,
I have to go through my storage area to find all the ET runs at the 68' Springnationals. If I recall, in Super Stock, the SS/B class ran off a 10.85 minimum, and SS/BA ran off a 10.90 . I'm pretty sure Don Grotheer (Cuda) won the SS/B class over Sox & Martin (Cuda), as both cars went under the index (broke out). Ronnie Sox won the race out-right, but went further under the index than Don Grotheer, which gave the Class Title to Grotheer in the all-white 'Cable Chrysler-Plymouth' car. In Super Stock Eliminator, the Sox & Martin Cuda car broke a slick in the staging area (during the semi-finals ?). paul |
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Matt . I haven't had the car out for about 2 years now. I do have the motor out and at the machine shop. Also changing over to a 4 speed. Hope to have it done by the end of January and get to use it before it heats up.
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Paul, between you and Mark I'm sure there will be some info turning up on this car. Thanks
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