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Mike Schwartz 07-19-2023 06:12 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
Billy, I often see nice original-condition cars at the big auctions that are Stock-eligible and can be purchased for $10k or less prior to modifications. Would they qualify for dime-rocket status? Or does it mean a ready-to-race cost of ~$10k?

Billy Nees 07-19-2023 06:30 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Schwartz (Post 683228)
Billy, I often see nice original-condition cars at the big auctions that are Stock-eligible and can be purchased for $10k or less prior to modifications. Would they qualify for dime-rocket status? Or does it mean a ready-to-race cost of ~$10k?
Mike, I don't know how to even answer a question like that (Yac? Dwight?). I guess it would be more a matter of what one Racer would be comfortable spending.
I will not cut up nice cars anymore. Not for the pathetic payouts in today's money. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the time and monies that go into the cars out there today, I just don't want to play the "game" anymore.

I guess the most important thing should be, take personal satisfaction in picking and building a combo and then get out there and have a blast running the wheels off of it!

David Lee 07-19-2023 06:45 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
is there any reason we do not see any of the super charged 3.8 grand prix or cobalts running in stock?

Billy Nees 07-19-2023 07:18 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by David Lee (Post 683233)
is there any reason we do not see any of the super charged 3.8 grand prix or cobalts running in stock?
I see a supercharged Regal every day. Does that count?
If I could find a supercharged Cobalt with an automatic, I'd be racing it.

David Lee 07-19-2023 07:28 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 683235)
I see a supercharged Regal every day. Does that count?
If I could find a supercharged Cobalt with an automatic, I'd be racing it.
so you would think its a viable platform?

Billy Nees 07-19-2023 07:41 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
A 4 valve, supercharged (with it's own little intercooler built into it) engine at 205 HP?
I think that I'd take a chance on it.

David Lee 07-19-2023 07:55 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 683238)
A 4 valve, supercharged (with it's own little intercooler built into it) engine at 205 HP?
I think that I'd take a chance on it.
thanks, the grand prix do come with an auto transmission

Mark Yacavone 07-20-2023 08:35 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Lee (Post 683233)
is there any reason we do not see any of the super charged 3.8 grand prix or cobalts running in stock?
Who doesn't see any?
Billy has been racing a 3.8 Regal this season
The Vang family, from CO. race a 3.8 supercharged Grand Prix regularly..Have been for several years ;-)

Mark Yacavone 07-20-2023 08:47 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Schwartz (Post 683228)
Billy, I often see nice original-condition cars at the big auctions that are Stock-eligible and can be purchased for $10k or less prior to modifications. Would they qualify for dime-rocket status? Or does it mean a ready-to-race cost of ~$10k?
I would say, if you have a first gen. Camaro roller sitting around, It's always going to be worth some good money. You could build a dime rocket powertrain for it ,such as an inline 6, and not get hurt, come sale time.
On the other hand, some of the stuff mentioned in this thread, aren't worth much more than scrap value, so you better figure in the initial cost of the body, into your equation ;-)

KendallGillespie 07-21-2023 05:46 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 683121)
Soooooo, who is Andrew Fidler DF/S '05 Cobalt? He sounds like my kinda guy! The word that I got was that he drove the car in. A little bit more improvement and he should be under the index anywhere.
From what i understand, the cobalt is one of the Buth family daily drivers. has very very minor things done to it, but are working on it as well.... i am thinking my 09 pontiac g5 might be going down the same trail soon, if i get my EF/S aries figured out.

Nick Heath 12-12-2023 10:15 AM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by Alex Denysenko (Post 266811)
85 Lincoln Mark VII LSC for U/SA.
302 TBI
Comes with a 8.8 and a posi.
Almost all Mustang parts will fit.
If I had the extra $4-5 grand and time we would build one in a second.
We probably have enough spare parts to get one under the index without touching the motor.
For anyone considering this combo (Billy Nees approved!) - but could not find a nice enough Lincoln to do it with... I would recommend closely examining today's class guide updates. Specifically, the 1985 Fords. ;)

Billy Nees 12-12-2023 10:28 AM
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IMHO, the Lincoln is still one bad U/SA combo but the Mustang should be a pretty good N/O/P combo.

ALMACK 12-12-2023 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Stasko (Post 683118)
Rick Unterseh has an '81 he runs in O and P...I'm pretty sure Neil Smedley built the car originally. Not a bad combo...but a sensitive engine.
But it sure looks good tho :)

https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...ZA&oe=657D7EDC

Billy Nees 12-12-2023 04:32 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 610417)
Lots of things have changed since this thread's inception.
National events are pretty much out of reach for a lot of us now.
The local association combos are where it's at for a good majority.
Why not put one of these "penny savers" together and support the guys who appreciate your business?
I just thought that this advice is worth bringing to the top!

ALMACK 12-12-2023 04:32 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by Nick Heath (Post 690057)
For anyone considering this combo (Billy Nees approved!) - but could not find a nice enough Lincoln to do it with... I would recommend closely examining today's class guide updates. Specifically, the 1985 Fords. ;)
1985 CFI had Twin 1.50" throttle bore diameters and 2 injectors. Factory issue injectors was 39 pounders I believe.
It's possible to run the index with that 325-350 cfm throttle body, but it will take some doing.

joe huestis 12-12-2023 05:46 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by joe huestis (Post 610373)
Back in 2014, I decided to build one of the suggested dime rocket combinations posted on this thread. Unable to decide which combo to go with I eventually went with a Gen 2 Camaro I purchased from a soldier from Fort Bragg, NC. After several PMs with Billy and one with Dwight I went with the ‘81 Camaro 267-2V combination for U/SA. Post 37, pg. 4. With Billy’s advice, and with help from 2 of my sons, Tim and Matt, Doug Hobgood, Jeff Flores, Doug Smith, Bill Bogues, and my good friend Mike Moller, this car has run a best so far of 14:19 @ 92.74 mph. .65 under the U index. Working with the Rochester dual jet carb has been a challenge however Doug Smith built one for me that works just fine. This past year added a Tim Sloan Metric 200 and an Ultimate Converter from Lenny Crouteau which really woke this combo up. She may be slow, but having a blast running this car and she has more in her. Gonna keep thrashing on it and special thanks to all of the above friends who made this all possible with me.
Since this thread has been revived I have an update on my 267 combo. As of Oct. 2023 I have run a best of back to back 14.00 @ 93.63 mph and 93.40 mph respectfully while testing at the day before the start of the D2 Rockingham Divisional. .85 under the U/SA index . Air was decent but not stellar that Thursday. Qualified for the first time in the top half of the field the following morning with a 14.09 @ .75 under. I had never tried radials on my car before and thanks to my good friend Bob Kelliher who lent me pair the car went .08 quicker with just tire swap. Been having a blast with my slow stocker, only drawback is how much the weather change affects how she runs with that little dualjet carb !

MikeMoller 12-12-2023 09:24 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone View Post
Lots of things have changed since this thread's inception.
National events are pretty much out of reach for a lot of us now.
The local association combos are where it's at for a good majority.
Why not put one of these "penny savers" together and support the guys who appreciate your business?



Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 690086)
I just thought that this advice is worth bringing to the top!
The association races are where its at these days. More fun and payouts are great check out CCRA!

tavirace 12-13-2023 06:49 AM
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There is a very nice 78 Pontiac Grand Prix with a 301 available in my area, not sure 2 or 4bbl. Is there still hope for that ?

Billy Nees 12-13-2023 10:16 AM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Originally Posted by tavirace (Post 690106)
There is a very nice 78 Pontiac Grand Prix with a 301 available in my area, not sure 2 or 4bbl. Is there still hope for that ?
That's one of those "ya gotta go and look at it" deals. If it's a nice car, I'd buy it anyway. Base and LJ GP's are 301/2Vs. SJs can be 2V or 4V BUT they could all possibly be 305/2V Chevys! THAT would be the better "Dime Rocket".

Billy Nees 12-14-2023 04:15 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
With the rumblings of a U/SA shootout coming around again, has this boat been brought up yet? 1991 Caprice Wagon with 305/170/210. The combo works real well in the lighter cars and should be even happier hauling some weight in U/SA.

David Lee 12-14-2023 05:00 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 690171)
With the rumblings of a U/SA shootout coming around again, has this boat been brought up yet? 1991 Caprice Wagon with 305/170/210. The combo works real well in the lighter cars and should be even happier hauling some weight in U/SA.
not cheap to buy!!!

Billy Nees 12-14-2023 05:33 PM
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Really? I would think it would be less expensive to buy than a Camaro.

Frank Castros 12-14-2023 06:20 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 690171)
With the rumblings of a U/SA shootout coming around again, has this boat been brought up yet? 1991 Caprice Wagon with 305/170/210. The combo works real well in the lighter cars and should be even happier hauling some weight in U/SA.
I'm proud to start the U/SA thread and Billy's Dime Rockets is a a natural expression of this class.
Can you imagine if 8+ cars attended the 2024 US Nationals? OMG, Awesome!

David Lee 12-14-2023 07:35 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 690177)
Really? I would think it would be less expensive to buy than a Camaro.
that i will agree with.

joe huestis 12-14-2023 09:24 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 690171)
With the rumblings of a U/SA shootout coming around again, has this boat been brought up yet? 1991 Caprice Wagon with 305/170/210. The combo works real well in the lighter cars and should be even happier hauling some weight in U/SA.
Now there's a real trailer killer ! A svelt 4370 lb. minimum weight !
Billy. you told me you like "lighter" cars !

Mark Yacavone 12-14-2023 09:54 PM
Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 690171)
With the rumblings of a U/SA shootout coming around again, has this boat been brought up yet? 1991 Caprice Wagon with 305/170/210. The combo works real well in the lighter cars and should be even happier hauling some weight in U/SA.

Al Provoast had the Olds version, new.
Didn't run very well, so he didn't like it. He didn't keep it long.

Billy Nees 12-15-2023 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 690187)
Al Provoast had the Olds version, new.
Didn't run very well, so he didn't like it. He didn't keep it long.
I forgot about that one! As I recall, it ran VERY well. Just not consistently. With today's electronics, that shouldn't be a problem.
But, after thinking about it, probably not a "Dime Rocket". It must be that too much PRI glitter has clouded my thinking!

joe huestis 12-15-2023 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 690195)
I forgot about that one! As I recall, it ran VERY well. Just not consistently. With today's electronics, that shouldn't be a problem.
But, after thinking about it, probably not a "Dime Rocket". It must be that too much PRI glitter has clouded my thinking!
It did run well, and I had talked to Al in the staging lanes at E-town during the Summernats back in the 90's. Asked him why he abandoned that project and his exact reply was he was unable to get any consistency out of the car with that throttle body injection. That thing was a tank for sure and he dared to be different ! Back then I always thought there was a 307 Olds motor in that car, not the 305 (Chevy) "corporate" engine. I was wrong.


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