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Paul, my mother was racing in SS/BA at e-town in 1968 with her dart also.

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Nitro Joe,

I have a couple of photo's of your Mom at the 68' Springnationals.
I'm guessing she must have had a nice co-sponsor from GoodYear.

The one photo of her versus the 'The Hustler' (SS/BA Dart) of
J. Corles shows a "T" on "The Hustler" door panel, indicating a
class trophy/final run.
Did she make it to the class finals in SS/BA at the Springnationals.

Paul

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Are you west side or east side? Were do you take it too? I would love to see it when you have it out this spring.
Matt

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IZZY,

At the beginning of 1968 the Super Stock class breaks were as follows;
SS/B--------- 6.00 - 6.99
SS/C--------- 7.00 - 7.69
SS/D--------- 7.70 - 8.69
SS/E--------- 8.70 - 9.47
SS/F--------- 9.48 - up

A class for SS/A class ( 0 - 5.99 ) was left open as a possible
entry from Chevy or Ford, which never developed.


At the 1968 Winternationals, the 65' Race Hemi and 64 1/2' Race Hemi cars were classed in SS/B.

Paul

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IZZY,

The 1968 NHRA Springnationals S/S Eliminator was won by
Sox & Martin in their SS/D 67' R/O Hemi Belvedere (w/GTX lettering).

They defeated Don Grotheer in the SS/B 68' Hemi Cuda.
The Cuda at that time was all-white, and sponsored by
'Cable Chrysler-Plymouth' out of Oklahoma.

pc

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Dave,

I added the information you asked for to this thread.
You can start a new one if you want.

1968 Indy U.S. Nationals (Class Winners)
________________________________
SS/B Wiley Cossey (68' Hemi Cuda)
SS/C Bill Jenkins (67' Camaro 396/375 HP)
SS/D Sox & Martin (67' GTX Hemi)
SS/E Jerry Harvey (68' 428 Cobra-Jet Mustang)
SS/F Musser Brothers (67' Z-28 Camaro)

SS/BA Chuck Ostrich (68' Hemi Cuda)
SS/CA Rudy Schings (67' Plymouth R/O Belvedere Hemi)
SS/DA Jerry Maes (63' Plymouth Max-Wedge)
SS/EA Lance Hill (68' Camaro 396/325 HP)
SS/FA Edgel McClellan (68' Camaro convertible 396/325 HP)

pc

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Dave,

At the 1968 Nationals.

Wiley Cossey (Cuda) won the SS/B class.
Ronnie Sox (Cuda) was the SS/B Runner-Up
* He was runner-up by way of a Red-Light DQ. He also crushed the index in that race.

Chuck Ostrich (Cuda) won the SS/BA class.
Jack Werst (Cuda) was the SS/BA Runner-Up

For the Super/Stock Eliminator, 10 class winners qualified, plus an
additional 22 cars.

SS/B Eliminator Cars
Wiley Cossey
Ronnie Sox
Dick Landy
Arlon Vanke
Ed Miller

SS/BA Eliminator Cars
Chuck Ostrich
Jack Werst
Dick Oldfield
Shirley Shahan

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Dave,

The answer to your 1968 Indy Nationals question.

Super/Stock Semi-Finals;
Wally Booth (SS/E) 68' SS 396 Camaro coupe
over
Dick Oldfield (SS/BA) 68' Hemi Dart

Arlon Vanke (SS/B) 68' Hemi Cuda
over
Bill Jenkins (SS/C) 67' SS 396 Camaro coupe

Note: Both Jerry Harvey (SS/E class winner w/68' Cobra-Jet Mustang) and Wally Booth (SS/E #2 qualifier w/68' SS 396
green "Mid-West Auto Parts' Camaro) qualified for the Super/Stock Eliminator.

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well i got some information regarding daryl's dart today, i talked to tony ?(his last name slips me now, he is ron and rick rickman's brother in law,he worked for castaldo, he said the dart that my dad and uncle had is not the castaldo car , the castaldo car had earmark things that he would have remembered when he saw the car in 1982 1983 at my dads shop , he also told me that the car he was worked on (suspension) in 69 through early 1970's was # 50 from the production line, he also said that the car had everything possible in the front end suspension made from titanium. he re counted the castaldo car that was crashed at e town got loose from oil on the track and had no trick front end suspension parts.

Daryl i have combed through thousands of pictures, i cannot find the pictures of the dart from when my dad got it, i am missing a large container of race car pictures dating from 1964-5 all the way through 1985 or so.

daryl what is the production number of your car? i asked tony if he was familiar with any darts from the peekskill ny area that were painted similar to castaldos cars and he said no,tony remembered the dart when he came to look at it and remembers it looked just like castaldos car (paint etc) but was not it .he also told me the car he worked on was an automatic car.

so i have just one question what was the car my dad had in the barn that had the complete trans tunnel cut out and what happened to it? another lost hemi car!!!!!

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Hemi-Head,

When the 68' Hemi Cuda's and Darts came out,
the NHRA set a minimum ET / Index
SS/B 10.85
SS/BA 10.90

The first-early records were set by
Don Grotheer in SS/B; 10.91 @ 131.19

Bill Stiles set the SS/BA ET record with an 11.06 at
Island DragStrip, New Jersey in August 68'.

I'm pretty sure J. Corles (sic) had the first SS/BA ET record with
'The Hustler' Dart (11.09)

Both records were 'soft'.

pc

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Jimmy,
I spoke with Ralph Costello (who bought Charlie's second Dart) some time ago and he told me that just about everything that was not structural (fenders ect...) were attached with fiberglass bolts. Remember that Charlie was in the Crane business and the buckets and and attaching hardware were not supposed to be conductive in case they hit power lines. The current owners verified that these were in place when they got the car.

Mark J

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Hey Jimi
Good to hear from you again. Right now, my car is the #7 car known to exist in the first production run. I knew it was just a matter of time before you found out that what I was trying to tell you, was exactly what my car is. You just needed a little first hand info from the guys who worked on Castaldo's cars to see what I was talking about. Glad we're on the same page now.
Now, we just gotta get some info. to continue on the right trail. Right now I am looking at the possibility of it being the "Wild Fire" Dart because of some similar things I've seen in photos, but haven't been able to get much further than that. Mark J. has some leads he's looking at but I haven't got an update on them yet.
Thanx for the persistance in the picture search. I appreciate it. Hopefully, you'll find them one day. It sure will help in this search.

Liteweight
Daryl

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Daryl,

That 'Wild Fire' car has some paint scheme similarities.
Study it closely.

pc

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Paul, Are you seeing something I'm not???.

Liteweight
Daryl

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Hello Guys,
A few months ago I was contacted by Mark Janaky because I had mentioned on another forum that I had worked at Town and Country Dodge in Farmington Michigan from 1969-1971. He was interested in any information I had concerning the ownership of a 68 Hemi SS Dart that was sponsored by Town and Country. I did not correctly remember (I'm 60 years old now) the name of the car at first, but when I saw the photo he sent me of "Wild Fire" I remembered it. Anyway The car had it's beginning in Michigan, not Ohio. If you are interested I can give more details later.
JCS

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Hi JC
Glad you found this post on this forum. Welcome .
I am definately interested in more info on the Wild Fire Dart, since there are similarities to the car I now own. I will PM you my phone # & personal email address. Looking forward to our conversation.

liteweight
Daryl

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Daryl,
I replied to your PM but I'm not sure I did it right. I also emailed some other information, did you get it?
JCS

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JC
Yes, you did the PM right, & I got your email.Thanx for the info between Mark & yourself. I will give you a call in the next few days.

Liteweight
Daryl

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Daryl,
In your origional post you attached some photos of your car from about 1985, I cannot see them, they seemed to have vanished. Could you re-post them or direct me to where I could view them. Thanks!
Jim Shiels

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Hi Jim
I think after a certain duration of time, the site deletes them??? Anyway here are a few that I haven't posted before,it seems this site won't let me upload pictures that have been attached before. I'll send you others to your personal email address. I'll give you a call Saturday Jan.8

Liteweight
Daryl

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The purple car on page 58 is the Ky Colonel car driven by David Heath. It was a car bought and repainted and lettered jerrys automotive out of Owensboro ky, owned by a local doctor, William Pearson.I beleive was putchased fromHarrold Dutton, calledThe drag Hag .Soon after aquiring the car David was diagosed with cancer and passed away. I lost contact withe car after that..Also in the area at the time was a black 68 cuda called Burks Law and another hemi barracuda driven by a lady Carol Zahcory .

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http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7...dofallnati.jpg

M68

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hi i just discovered this site to darryl i have some info on joe jills speedwin dart . joe sold it to ralph vendriesco in athens new york ralph had the car for years .when he first got it it was the same as joe had it the color was white with blue lace on the side and about a foot wide stripe on the hood roof and trunk. he sent it someplace and had it tubbed still ran s/s springs then when we built my road runner he had ron mancini freshen the hemi we raced at lebanon valley in the late 70,s the surface was worn out (as some of you older racers know) the car did a best of 10.03 @145 as years went in ralph sold it to ron caldwell from there i dont know i do have pisc and a hot rod advertisement page of the car (speedwin automotive engineering ) the car was a automatic also the drivers door glass got broke and a thicker one was put in . hope this info helps i can dig into my old pics if anyone wishes craig

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Welcome Craig and thanks for the info. Yes, please post whatever pix you have--we'd love to see them.

M68

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Here's a rare shot for you, Paul. :)

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7...0988wpb9jo.jpg

M68

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Joe's car was orange w/gold lettering. Hampden Dodge was located off State St in springfield before it moved to the Pine Point area of Springfield across from Deb's Auto. I have a pictire of the Hemi Dart from one of the Big E car shows.

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Would love to see the photos of the Speedwin and the Joe Patel Darts
Mark J
1968 Hemi S/S Registry

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Joe's car was never behind the shop w/no engine/trn. Joe listed it in a national magazine and it sold before the mag hit the east coast!

Dave

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M68
I don't know where you get these pix from, but keep them coming. Outstanding!!!
Craig
Welcome to this ever growing post, any & all photos are a welcome addition
Dave2 spd.
Welcome also, any & all info is beneficial

I have some old National Hemi Owners newsletters from the 70's- 80's that I remember a bunch of pictures and a story of someone locating the Speedwin car. I'll have to dig it up & scan it.

Liteweight
Daryl

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hi daryl, this is the castaldo lettering that was on the side of the door that i remember on the dart that was at our shop. is this the car that got crashed or is this the second car?

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Hi Jimi
This is Charlies second car,the SS/BA car that he won the Super Stock Nationals with at York US 30 in 69.Looking at the date of the pic Oct. 69,this was probably one of the last few races this car ran in SS. Winter of 69-70 he converted it with extensive mods to compete in Modified Production including a new paint scheme & colors including flaring the rear wheel wells.If these are the doors that are on my car, then Charlie would have had to sell these,or they were thieved before this transformation took place. In talking with Charlie Licata (crew member) he never mentioned anything about the doors being removed. And really, it doesn't make sense to remove them to put heavier,as production doors back onto Charlies car again. I'm not saying it's not possible, just highly unlikely.
Mark J. Can you post a pic. of Charlies car when it was converted for 1970 in color please??.If you can't, then email me & I'll put it up if you wouldn't mind. Thanx

Liteweight
Daryl

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Daryl,
Did you or Mark get in .touch with Tim Wing? He told me he had no record of the VIN of Wild Fire. I hope he had some information concerning where the car went after they sold it.
JIm S

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Hi Jim
I spoke with Tim Wing several times regarding the Wild Fire Dart. Very interesting talking to someone who owned one of these things new, & actually picked it up himself.He gave me alot of great info, but unfortunately now I am convinced this also is not my car. And all it took was a closer inspection of a pic of the engine compartment. There was a hood pin mounted in the center rear of the hood on Wild Fire. There is no evidence of that on my car or the repair of it. I then confirmed it with Tim Hennessey, the fellow who restored my car in the mid 80's. Oh, the Wild Fire car was sold to a fellow who owned Toledo Scales in 70 or 71. Sorry, no name.
Jim, thankyou for taking the time to help me out. Now I at least know it's not the Wild Fire car.Back to square one AGAIN!!!!


Liteweight
Daryl

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I don't know either (sometimes). :) Glad you enjoy them.

I used to have a bunch of them from 1978-82 or so when I belonged to the club. Regretfully, I threw them all away. :(

M68

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More rare shots...

http://img5.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...3359370fd6.jpg

Anyone know who this is?
http://img8.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...d9f4c03f5d.jpg

http://img4.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...a9f3c066a5.jpg

http://img8.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...06267813d6.jpg

M68

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http://img2.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...682c3f860d.jpg

http://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...3b15d476de.jpg

http://img1.uploadhouse.com/fileuplo...eee82c3270.jpg

I know this is a Hemi Dart thread but figured you'd enjoy seeing these pix of Dodge's S/S counterpart.

M68

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I'm pretty sure that the purple Cuda was Stewart Pomeroys

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Al's Toy,,,,,,,

An original.
Owned by,,,, Al Adamic,,,SS/BA
Based out of Wickcliffe, Ohio
Ran 10.30's @ 135 mph.
Northeastern Ohio, just outside of Cleveland.

Post #651
The blue Cuda SS/BA is Tom Myl's out of Pennslyannia an Arlon Vanke prepped car.

And the green Cuda looks like John Hagen's; SS/B ,, 'Performance Engineering'

And,,,, 'Suppa Cuda'
I think that was the original Mule car....that Arlon Vanke got.

And the purple Cuda, wasn't that Ferris Motors out of Savannah, Illinois car at one time.

And the 'Deb's Automotive Dart' was owned by Joseph Petrelle (not Patel)

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M68,

Those photo's of Charlie Castaldo's car are popping up all over.

For the 'hemi hunters'
Charlie's first car (the SS/B 4-speed) was terminated at Englishtown
in late-April 1969, at a NED1 points meet.

For lettering purposes to distinguish the car, the first car had 'Dodge'
lettered on the 'C' pillar panel.

The first car had Charlie Castaldo in block staggered lettering on the door panel.
The second car had Chargin Charlie Castaldo in script lettering on the door panel.
Lettering by Dino,,,,,,,and done in Charlies garage in Scarsdale, NY.

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I now own the Tom Myl car last known as Mean Fish. I am planning on racing it in the future,after I redue it