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Jeff Lee 12-09-2009 12:50 AM
Re: my opinion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Cour (Post 155596)
The movie, "American Pie."
I tried to explain American Pie and band camp to Don just now...he's to old to watch such movies.

442OLDS 12-09-2009 01:09 AM
Re: my opinion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Lee (Post 155494)
I'm at a loss to think of any other sport that allows full-time professionals to compete with the amateurs.
What defines a "full-time professional drag racer" versus AMATEUR racer?

Mark Faul 12-09-2009 01:26 AM
Re: my opinion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Lee (Post 155599)
But you continuously duck my question about the way points were claimed in the past....I understand the present system (although I had the number incorrect, again, the number is not the issue, it's the concept). Compared to the ways of old, who benefits with todays system?
Jeff, I'm not ducking your question. I didn't race with the previous system. I started running ss in 1996.

With the current points system it's fair for everyone! If any racer competes at 6 national events, they have the same number of races to claim as a "touring pro". Because ONCE AGAIN, you claim your best 3 out of 6. No races after your FIRST 6 count towards national points. Same with divisionals. Best 5 out of FIRST 8. So anyone that does well at their points claiming races could be national champion. There is no benefit in points to going to more than the 14 points claiming races. Touring pro or whoever.

Mike Carr 12-09-2009 01:38 AM
Re: my opinion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Lee (Post 155599)
But you continuously duck my question about the way points were claimed in the past....I understand the present system (although I had the number incorrect, again, the number is not the issue, it's the concept). Compared to the ways of old, who benefits with todays system?

Jeff, I am guessing you are referring to the old "waiver" system, where racers had x-amount of races they could waive, pre-event and post-event? I'm not sure how many waivers a racer had back then (I think the current points structure has been in place since the early 1990's). I think a racer had two pre-event and two post-event waivers. Maybe three. Someone else will have to help me out here.

Mark Faul 12-09-2009 01:42 AM
Re: my opinion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Lee (Post 155598)
How about this. Since NHRA has a limited quota on entries to national events, once the touring pro's have met their allowance on races claimed, they can not enter races if it bumps out a potential participant. If the quota is not met, then entry is open.
Or how about this:
Go to divisional races, earn grade points and enter races when they open up to accept entries?

Mark Faul 12-09-2009 01:44 AM
Re: my opinion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 442OLDS (Post 155602)
What defines a "full-time professional drag racer" versus AMATEUR racer?
That's a great question! Don? Jeff?

Mark Faul 12-09-2009 01:56 AM
Re: my opinion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 442OLDS (Post 155602)
What defines a "full-time professional drag racer" versus AMATEUR racer?
That's a great question! Don? Jeff?

Evan Smith 12-09-2009 07:24 AM
Re: my opinion
 
Since we all say that Stock and Super Stock are performance-based classes, let's bring performance into the points mix. My question is: should the national champions be simply the best bracket racers or the best overall racers, based on building and tuning your car as well?

Award points for the top 32 qualified spots at national and divisional events and award points for rounds won during class eliminations and for records set. This also will entice racers to run hard and the AHFS system will be more effective.

Paul Merolla 12-09-2009 08:46 AM
Re: my opinion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evan Smith (Post 155613)
Since we all say that Stock and Super Stock are performance-based classes, let's bring performance into the points mix. My question is: should the national champions be simply the best bracket racers or the best overall racers, based on building and tuning your car as well?

Award points for the top 32 qualified spots at national and divisional events and award points for rounds won during class eliminations and for records set. This also will entice racers to run hard and the AHFS system will be more effective.
Evan, that's the FIRST rule change discussed on this thread that made any sense to me. Don and Jeff's ramblings sound like recess in 2nd grade..."I can't win so change the game to suit me!!" How many times do they have to explain it? The best 3 of the FIRST 6. Anyone who can attend 6 nationals has the same playing field as the guy that attends all 24.

west coast 12-09-2009 11:03 AM
Re: my opinion
 
Evan those are some great points on how to help fix the AHFS great suggestion. Now if other people could be more postive about trying to fix it rather than complaining all the time. The only disadvantage to the current points system would be were you live and how many races are close to you. So that solution would to be move.


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