Re: What's wrong with Stock?
 

So Jim, if they move the late model cars from Stock to SS, do they get to keep the bogus HP ratings and indexes or do they get fixed? Isn't that kind of like moving the drug dealers and pimps to a new neighborhood and saying you fixed your crime problem?

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Awesome, Tracy. Is that from "Office Space" or from an NHRA board meeting?

Re: What's wrong with Stock?
 

Many interesting older cars from the days of gross HP ratings aren't competitive and NHRA has never addressed lowering their ratings to get more "diversity" in Stock. Now we have the factory ratings going very far the other way, making everything that is old relatively uncompetitive. To make it even worse, turbo and supercharged cars don't lose power with elevation anywhere near what naturally aspirated engines do, so they are heavily favored at high altitude tracks.

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Guy I may be wrong but what's crazy is that the new car owners have asked for some sort of shoot out. NHRA has not been able to come to terms for rules. I'm also pretty sure we didn't ask to have no hit at Indy, it was offered. And as everyone else would have we agreed. Instead of getting on here and bitching why don't y'all hold a division meeting at a division race and make your division rep take action? Because let's face it NO one will boycot NHRA.

I stand for the new cars when I say we all have started in the fastest classes available at the time and have taken hits to put us in slower classes. I don't believe anyone builds a new car just to make sure it kills an old car. We would like a fair shoot out class offered but then you stop the need for new technology. What if we went to NHRA and said we didn't feel safe chasing down cars that are going 30mph+ slower than us? I mean the year is 2014 guys not 1960-70's.

Re: What's wrong with Stock?
 

Not sure one can say too much about safety or the way the new cars drive. Did anyone watch Chris Holbrook in the factory stock final video? (post 262 of the Live from Indy Thread). He had only one hand on the wheel the whole time.

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No one blames the drivers. The discussion is just about NHRA's handling of factory cars. They make the rules. Drivers are not an issue, and never have been.

I am interested in including the Factory Stock program at the Class Nationals for next year, which can be featured during Class Eliminations. (We already have no AHFS for *any* class, since we're an independent event, and the indexes can be straightened out, so all of the traditional car concerns will be a non-issue for our event) It seems NHRA's much closer on the rules now. Where does it need tweaked at this point, if at all?

Re: What's wrong with Stock?
 

Merely that Mr. McCarthy mentioned “Roy”, who ran his wagon this year at Indy.

Roy Dean has run a wagon at Indy before. In 1986, Roy, in his R/SA, was runner up to Gary Long in his F/S Mercury.

Just some pleasant memories.

Re: What's wrong with Stock?
 

I think the Index would be the only issue. Not sure if anyone has been able to answer this: what is the average difference between a new car's weight, in it's 'natural' class(es) (AAA, AA, BB, CC, etc) and it's FSS weight? How much weight on average do the cars need to add/subtract, and the difference in corresponding Indexes of 10.10 and 10.35? Or take it on a case by case basis.

Re: What's wrong with Stock?
 

The only tables that have turned is that NHRA doesn't apply certain parts of the rule book to the new cars.

Re: What's wrong with Stock?
 

Let's not forget that factory participation in NHRA stock (at least 2 of the big 3) virtually went to nothing for a decade or more by not producing a 2 door, rear wheel drive, v-8 car.

If the old stockers are allowed to be run out of the sport, and the car manufactures decide once again to abandon the rear wheel drive v-8 platform, we can all race mustangs, camaros, and challengers......I guess. :rolleyes: