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That's worse than no tech, when they have no clue. But I can see the dilemma, after seeing so many ones "touched up" hard to tell the real thing.
Mike

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No, it's not. They still haven't explained to me just how I put all of that cast iron back in those intake runners.

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Ditto Pure Stock.

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Ed I agree with you on pure stock. There's a handful but nothing significant, sorry Dan :-(, you're still a friend of mine. But as far as crate motors go, Rich wouldn't of created this new series for Division 2 if there wasn't enough of them to race. I can personally count 20 CM cars in Division 2 alone, there is a bunch in Canada as well. Will they all race this year? Who on this earth knows except for them.

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I heard there are a few guys pulling out their NHRA stock motors to put their crate motor's back in for the div2 race's. I guess if California wants crate motor's in it will happen. It's more membership money and they like it.

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Did NHRA adopt crate motors? Or are these guys going to run Super Street, or just not open their hood for tech?

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They'll race division 2 in the 1/8 mile races. I'm sure 99.9 % can pass tech. You won't find any $5000. Heads and intakes on a crate motor car. Their budget racers..

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Yeah, yeah, sure they are...............until they lose that first heads-up run.

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Is that what you did Billy ? lol

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Yup! Oh, all except the part where I spent 5K for heads and an intake.

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So did you Rust Port your heads or use an Acid Pool ?

D

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Dan, if you knew anything about the combos that I run, you would know that opening up the heads would slow me down.

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I can't imagine why anyone would pull a legal motor out just so they can go run a few 1/8 mile open races and nothing else.

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James, 6 races isn't a few ! If you race the 1/8 mile races and your local stock/super stock races your going to be pretty busy.. lol

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That's true Ken, myself I only do about 12 races a year its all the time I have. My take on this though is I don't think they have no intention on adding these classes, I believe they are just giving them a place to race and thinking they may switch over. And collecting some money along the way. Just my opinion.

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Time will tell on that one, you may end up surprised if they get a good turnout of crate motor cars.

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Nobody will know if crate motor classes will eventually be included in the regular program or not, including NHRA. Naturally they first have to see what the response is in Div. 2. But it is nice of them to try and include it in a separate series outside of divisional and national events so they won't influence the regular divisional and national championships of the "pure" (snicker) Stock classed cars. Either way is fine with me.

All one has to do is look back at the history of NHRA and the classes that they tried and in many cases "adopted" and ran/run at different degrees of success: Pro Mod, Top Sportsman, Top Dragster, Nitro Harley, Mountain Motor (500 cu.in.) Pro Stock, index classes - 11.50, etc. Don't forget double points races!

I hope I have the option of running CM Stock or regular Stock, depending how my 2 cars perform. I bought a "regular" Stocker a few years ago from a friend who has helped me a lot with it. But an attempted 2016 debut at Gainesville didn't go well. (Long story.) I hope to try again this season.

To answer the question of "Why would someone build a car that's limited to one sanction?". My main reason is that I grew up working on Holley carbs. Thermoquads are very "sensitive" and intimidating. Some people can almost rebuild them with their eyes closed, but I just never got around to learning and it will be a steep learning curve before I start getting any confidence in getting inside of one myself. Maybe a good analogy would be like comparing a 500 piece jigsaw puzzle to a 1000 piece, It's do-able, but takes a lot more time & patience to get it together.

Some people are mad at IHRA for dropping class racing. I can't blame them and appreciate that they tried for MANY YEARS to attract more competitors. Everybody should know how much they offered in purses, compact schedules and other incentives. But it was business decision and I can't blame them for not wanting to keep throwing money into something that not enough racers supported. I'll try to support their new format to some degree if time and budget permits. It may be a very busy season.

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What's a good turn out, Ken? Are there actually that many? I ran IHRA for a while. Never saw a dozen show up.

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Ed division 4 is not a strong IHRA division, I know you don't like crate motor or IHRA, Let's wait and see . You shouldn't worry , you run Super Stock.

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Hold on there Ken, Budget racers ??? You must have meant to say Legal racers !!! Your implying your running illegal because you spend 5k on your stock cant do anything to heads. :cool:

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I[QUOTE=Birch motor cars;555895]Hold on there Ken, Budget racers ??? You must have meant to say Legal racers !!! Your implying your running illegal because you spend 5k on your stock cant do anything to heads. Xx What I was saying is that most crate motor guys won't spend the 5K to Port & Polish head's & intake then cover it up. They'll do the basic legal head work.

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[QUOTE=KEN BUGAJ;555910]I = Ken look what your saying buddy ??? Your cheating and telling the whole world.

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The crate cars are all legal.....for bracket racing and time shots. Nice that division 2 are letting in pro ET cars run stock. That’s a good trend to start.

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Hands down the most ignorant statement in this mile long thread so far. You obviously have no relevant input. Rich created a series that were all excited about in Division 2. Remember, this series is for ALL NHRA cars....its not a crate motor series, they are just included since there's quote a few in the region.

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Stock eliminator according to NHRA- entry level class. You're kidding right? No offense but Super Street is the new entry level.

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My input is my thoughts and opinion. I'm a division 1 stock racer. So does that mean that If I want I can put a Chevy bracket engine in my Firebird and call it a crate engine and run Div 2 I can? Do they have engine parameters and specs? Will they be subject to heads up races?
I have no problem with them being included in S/SS races. But official NHRA races, thats pushing it some.
What is relevant input? If I'm for this than that's ok? Next lets let the purestock cars in next? I guess if they need cars have at it.

Right Super Street cars that go 150 miles an hr? That's entry level. Sounds like slower version of Super Gas.

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You have proven my point. IHRA had very specific requirements for what you can run on a crate motor engine. We're all waiting to see the weight breaks and new indexes but each combo has it's own cam, piston ect...specs.
It's ok to have an opinion, but do some research before you diminish a type of engine that someone chooses to run. Being from D1 which is a great division with tons of fast impressive cars, you don't need to worry about what's going on in D2 if it doesn't suit your style. It takes a special kind of person to come on here and try to trash someone's choice of engine/car combination.

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Are you really THAT STUPID or just like to stir up siht !

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I just want to know why these are being allowed in NHRA? Is it the official position? Is this a backdoor way to try and get these cars accepted?
Where can I look up the specs for these? Will they be held to the same standard of tech the traditional stockers are? Will the NHRA tech be trained or informed to properly tech these?
I bashed no one, if you have a car that was built for a sanctioning body and class that is defunct I’d say you have some tough choices. But if this is happening so be it. So if I travel down to div 2 races at the end of the year, and I don’t want to get drug down the track by a 9 second Duster in D/SA, I can put a SBC in my 68 Firebird call it CM and I’m good? Just wondering

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Are you still here? What do you have to do with racing at all? You were a tech guy in the NHRA 30+ years ago or what ever, your IHRA is gone. Where or how does your opinions matter? I race, what’s your story?

I asked a question about CM cars racing NHRA sanctioned races.

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Are you being sarcastic or just ignorant? Have you done a shred of research as to what a legal crate motor engine is? NHRA made a decision to have open races and allow crate motor cars in. All of your above questions were answered by the division 2 director on facebook . Kudos to rich for thinking outside the box and giving these cars a place to run. Do you legitimately think crate motor engines are just drop shipped from jegs and put in the car? It’s building power within the guidelines of specific rules. And awesome your from division 1, is that supposed to mean something? This move by NHRA doesn’t affect you one bit, so why the criticism? If you want to drive down here and race with us, we welcome you, but do some research before you make blanket ignorant statements. And yes, their are heads up races in CM , have to pass fuel check, hit the scales and pass tech just as your wonderful legal stocker does. So enlighten me as to what’s the difference?

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Todd, it’s got to be a bracket motor deal. Their are no specs for crate motors at NHRA.

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http://www.ihra.com/competition/comp...t/category/211

As Division 2 director has said, they will go off of last years IHRA’s crate motor specs. So again, before you call it a “bracket motor deal”.... do 1 minute of research , and you can find the specs for these cars. It’s pretty plain and simple. If you don’t like the specs, don’t build a motor in CM and you won’t have to run heads up. If I run my AA/SA car vs a D/SA Firebird or a F/CM camaro..... it’s still a bracket race, correct?

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I understand the crate motor deal. Spec heads, intake, carb, and short block. All parts you can buy over the counter. I guess there is a cam spec as well. Can you buy these engine completely from GM, Ford and Mopar?
I guess no difference other then they were IHRA class cars only.

My point is I’m an NHRA drag racer that competes in stock. After I was called irrelevant I thought I had a right to an opinion and stated why. BTW I don’t follow the Div2 Facebook page so I didn’t see the memo. Congratulations on getting someone to work with your cars. If it gets accepted, I’ll build one and throw my Pontiac stuff in the garbage. I can’t get any parts or help with it anyway. What my head castings cost I could buy every part for a crate. Then plenty of money left over to make it fast.

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Sounds good, thanks.

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I love how 5-6 guys have keep this thread alive for months now.

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[QUOTE=Birch motor cars;556105]No, I'm saying that there are a number of people running around with $5000.00 head's & intake. Create Motor's don't need that, they run pretty good with just a valve job, and spring's. ! What helps them are a good carb and intake. The short block is the same as any 350/255.

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Holy Pure Stock ....
The Chattering Class Racers are now busting on Crate Motor cars.
You can tell who they are sporting bruised egos from walking into walls.
Interesting that CM racers are getting the same crap I got.
Now they are getting the rash from same stuck up Racers..

The question was asked why would a Racer not build a car for both NHRA and IHRA.
Because we could and because it was cost effective!

Very convenient racers forgot that my car plays by earlier Stocker Rules.
Today they are going second faster on average.
Costs to be competitive gone up and reliability non existent!
So sensitive they avoid bracket racing them.

Started with rods and pistons, Cranks and blueprinted Cams
Then better rods and pistons and crank.
Then unlimited duration cams requiring expensive hardened Lifters and high tension Springs
Now the blocks are failing and buying reinforced aftermarket pieces.
Of course the Cam has to be specially treated also.
Then $15000 in labor to tweek and hide and assemble.
Then of course $12/gallon race fuel. Easy to burn $100 a race.
Then reinforced beefed up rearends, suspensions and wheelie bars.

Old Stock now Pure Stock Rules my car is reliable and fun!
CM is a natural fit and looks like NHRA is thinking about adding them.
All the specs are well documented for tech.
So that argument goes out the window.

For me CM would be a good consideration to move up to.
Our B-body community are bolting in LS and the new LT1 engines.
Adding a LS would allow running a higher class than K.

IHRA dropping Class Racing was shock.
Hope NHRAs D2 1/8 mile Racing is a huge profitable success.

D

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I'm with Todd Hoven on this one.
Stock Eliminator, in the IHRA is dead, as it does not exist anymore.
NHRA does not have a Crate Motor class.
All the IHRA Crate Motor cars are nothing more than Bracket Cars at the moment, as there is no sanctioning body for these.
The NHRA is basically allowing Bracket Cars to run run in Division 2 races.

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In a nutshell, if NHRA is foolish enough to put Pure Stock and Crate Motor Stock into NHRA Stock Eliminator, the only thing the IHRA only racers will have accomplished is to kill NHRA Stock Eliminator. Because the class as it existed, will not exist anymore. IHRA only racers will not have joined NHRA Stock Eliminator. They will have convinced NHRA to create Bracket Stock Eliminator.

None of that encourages me to build a new engine for the current car and return, or to buy/build a second car. I don't care anything about bracket racing, it's not what I want to do. And what amounts to alphabet soup stock eliminator, where the class designation has to be in fine print, or stretch across half the windshield, has no draw for me.