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Alex is right,"quit cryin and race". NHRA has always managed to bend and NOT adhere to it's own rules so I'm done bitching. Let's race!

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My God Billy -- mark this day on the calender -- I can't believe it but we agree. You're right -- let get on with it and just race......................

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Okay, let me get this straight:

The 2010 Mustang (with a supercharger and a 4-valve cylinder head engine) that never came down a Ford assembly line, and is not available in any Ford dealership showroom can run in a Stock class, but a 1963 Chevrolet Z-11, which IS in the Class Guide as a legal Super Stocker (with 46 year-old technology) at 7.7 Lbs/HP cannot??????

Something doesn't smell very good...

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Billy, it was certainly not directed at you. Sorry for the delayed response as my hot water heater blew up so I had to slide a new one in place (Thanks to Jeff and Russ Wernes!). When I post it is usually with facts and nothing more or less. I have my own opinions but usually keep them to myself. There has been much speculation and plain inaccurate facts on the CJ cars posted in this thread. That bothers me and it would bother me if it was about a Chevy or Mopar. For whatever reason, people like to chime in whether they know the facts or not. Then others jump on the bandwagon and those who don't choose to get the real facts for themselves become misinformed and cry, cry, cry.

Bottom line to all this is that Ford wants to be involved in Class racing and hopefully GM and Mopar will follow suit. All the parts on the CJ are (or will be available) to anyone who wants to "create" one of these cars. If you read the second paragraph in the current rulebook it explains exactly what it takes to make a car eligible and this Ford meets the criteria.

So, Mr. Deadman, you are dead wrong. The 50 CJ Mustangs were available only at the dealerships. They are built on a special Ford assembly line in a Roush building, much like many other projects by the BIG THREE.

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What's this about the 740 HP Toyota?

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Evan,
There is some confusion about which cars some of the guys are posting about. The Roush cars are the After Market units and the CJ's are finished off in the Roush building. Can you help us out with the distinction between Roush cars and cars that are completed in the Roush building? Roush and Ford seem to be tied together at the hip.

John Calvert will get these cars straightened out and they will go straight down the track and do all sorts of special things for Ford. We'll have a good idea in just a couple of weeks. It would have been a very unselfish act to ask nhra to put these cars in a class where they could strut their stuff and yet not cause problems for the other racers. Bringing out a 700+ Horsepower Supercharged bullet and running it against cars from the 60's and 70's, no matter the OEM, seems to be a bit too much.

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Ford and Roush are not tied at the hips at all when it comes to drag racing. Roush is listed as the manufacturer of its Roush Mustangs, not Ford. It is of course a Ford Mustang, but with Roush's own government certified engine parts, body parts, suspension and most importantly, engine calibration. Roush is not an aftermarket company in this sense, it is the actual manufacturer of the vehicle, as listed on the window sticker. When you purchase one of these cars, you get a Roush Mustang. This is similar to Saleen and Steeda Mustangs Becoming the "manufacturer" takes a huge investment and is far more involved than just throwing on a blower and body kit.

Roush got its cars listed in the NHRA books on its own and they carry a 430 (or 435) and 510 hp rating depending on the package you choose. These are 4.6 liter, 3-valve engines as opposed to the 5.4 4-valve in the CJ. The 435 hp version has a small blower, the 510 has a blower similar to the one on the GT500 and the CJ. Neither is near as favorable as the CJ. From what I have heard, Roush is building one or two of it's own cars for Super Stock, but I don't expect to see a flood of them.

Ford worked for over a year on the CJ with NHRA. If NHRA saw fit to give it a special class, it would have done so. You can't blame Ford for wanting to build a winner. Ford knows the consequences of building a total ringer. I have explained to the powers at Ford in great detail how it would not look good to go out and own Stock Eliminator without some hard work.

Evan

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All this fuss about "paper cars", I just dont understand.

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I was barely a month old when the first cobra jets hit the track in 1968 and now 40 years later i get to see the new cobra jets hit the track.
Whether we agree if they should be in stock eliminator or not, we should as a whole be happy that detroit is once again getting involved in sportsman racing.
I think personally this is a very exciting time for the class and can't wait to see how they run?
And just like so many have already said i'm sure in time the car will get factored out or into it's own class if in fact it is as KILLER as every body say's it is?
I wish ford would look at the possiblilty of building some of these cars that are naturally aspirated and a little more readily available to Joe blue collar nobody.
my 2 cents

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my guess would be because they are a brick without it. Thats just about the only way to make mod motor run from what I've seen.