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Evan that makes too much sense. A lot of people on this forum want to take performance out of these classes. I started racing when we ran off the records and not some arbitrary index number and I liked it. It is supposed to be about performance.

Hey Ed, Bob deserves it!

Hey Ed, it does amaze me how NHRA seems to have taken up a "Hands Off" policy towards certain racers.

I wouldn't have a problem with Bob Shaw winning the championship. Do you? If he is the fastest so be it. Wouldn't be fun not using window art to win? People would still be trying to protect their combos but it may cost them a few wins. The ahfs would start having an effect after all these years.

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lee (Post 155575)

Sorry it doesn't make any sense to you. Guess I just can't comprehend why the points structure is geared the way it is. Maybe Toby or Ed can help me understand because in between all the jabs, nobody's addressed my major point; why do we have this points system over the previous points system which was in effect for a very long time? Since everybody here seems so versed in the new system, how does it relate to the old system? What are the advantages of one over the other?

David & Mike,
Thanks for clarifying best 3/6 Nationals and best 5/8 divisional races. I didn't mention that because my point is getting to pick and choose after the fact versus claiming the race at it's conclusion. Whether it's 3/6 or 6/6 was not my point. From my understanding the old system was a better system. I would like a clearer understanding as to why it was changed and whom benefited the most by the change. So far, nobody has addressed my question. And I could be educated to understand my assessment is incorrect. I was open to debate, not jabs.
Thanks,
Jeff

OK, Jeff, I will try to explain the new system to you.

Nobody gets to pick and choose which races they claim. You go to a race and it counts towards your quota no matter if you want it to or not. You go to six nationals and you have met your quota. NHRA then takes the best three out of those six and they count towards your total. Same thing with divisionals except it's your best 5 of 8. Bottom line: nobody gets to pick and choose which races they claim. Do you understand this point?

About the old system. I heard that Jim Waldo lost out on a championship one time because he didn't claim a 4th rounder thinking he could do better and didn't. If he would have claimed that race he would have been champ. This is just what somebody told me. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Don't you think the current system gives the person who doesn't travel across the country the same chance to win a championship as a Touring Pro Sportsman®?

-Toby

Evan,your post was like the shot heard around the world.Hopefully someone who is someone at NHRA reads this and does his homework to make it a workable system.BUT,
it's all contingent on national tech letting the local tech guys do their job.When they are in doubt there should be KNOWLEDGEABLE tech people to consult immediately for a ruling.No gray areas,just black and white.I hope something like this can be worked out.Thanks for the breath of fresh air Evan.See you next year.

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lee (Post 155598)

How about this. Since NHRA has a limited quota on entries to national events, once the touring pro's have met their allowance on races claimed, they can not enter races if it bumps out a potential participant. If the quota is not met, then entry is open.

You can't be serious can you comrade Jeff?

Ed,

Are you referring to Indy '08, where I was disqualified for a valve that was .006 too big? If so, have some balls and come out and say it, don't beat around the bush. I'm sure you are so perfect in racing and in life and never ever make mistakes. You can call me anytime to discuss the matter further (813-675-3475 office). Do you really think that I would take a chance on failing tech for something as small as that? if so you are a fool. That trip cost me thousands and a week away from work (as it does for anyone who goes to Indy).

Nevertheless, I went over in on this forum and in ND. Funny how I fixed the valves and was back at the next race (with the engine torn down) and proceeded to qualify number one at the next race with the fix valves. If you think I got special treatment then that is your opinion and you are entitled to that.

I'd be up for teardown with a new points system anytime if it meant I had a chance to compete for a national championship based on the performance of my car, which I've worked on for over 15 years to get it to this point.

Evan

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Originally Posted by Evan Smith (Post 155613)

Since we all say that Stock and Super Stock are performance-based classes, let's bring performance into the points mix. My question is: should the national champions be simply the best bracket racers or the best overall racers, based on building and tuning your car as well?

Award points for the top 32 qualified spots at national and divisional events and award points for rounds won during class eliminations and for records set. This also will entice racers to run hard and the AHFS system will be more effective.

Evan,are you losing your ****ing mind?I was commenting on the above post.What does that have to do with Indy?That's the furthest thing from my mind.Maybe I'm confused?

Yes Ed you are confused.....Even I know Evan took offense to a post Ed O'Brien made........and I don't even have a stocker anymore.....but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Last night......LOL