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Originally Posted by Craig Couris (Post 223799)

Does anyone else have an opinion on the AA/SA index of 10.60?

well i know it was set way low on purpose to avoid the AHFS, but 10.60 is a bit low. Maybe 10.75, or 10.80

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Originally Posted by Travis Miller (Post 223765)

The AHFS is not out to get guys who work hard to be fast. They just happen to be caught up in the process. The AHFS is after combinations that for whatever reason have snuck in under the radar and are capable of running so fast it drastically effects all of Stock and S/S.

In the old days long before the AHFS was introduced, a combination that ran too quick was refactored by an individual in power. Later a committee took over the responsibility. These were pretty good systems but in rare cases human nature would allow personal factors to sneak in and effect the outcome. That is why the AHFS came into play.

As long as heads up runs and class eliminations at some events are a part of these eliminators, there has to be a way to control runaway combinations. Unfortunately those who seek to prove they can squeeze every ounce of power out of a correctly factored combo and go faster than their peers, then they will be penalized for their hard work. Stock and S/S may be performance based but for the masses it has to be controlled performance. Otherwise it would become an ever shrinking game where very few will eventually be able to play.

With all the issues (and sometimes dilemmas) that Stock and S/S present to sanctioning bodies, if it were not for the huge number of participants these eliminators continue to produce, they would probably have been gone long ago. Maybe it's time for a few individuals to quit trying to change every aspect of Stock and S/S to suit their own agendas and let the masses (read as the silent majority) continue to race.

Travis Miller

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)

Travis I disagree with you about the "old days" If it wasn't for Darwin Doll we would have been factored with our Challenger combo. Not at all because we were going fast. But because we were winning to much. And by factoring us they thought they would have ruined our shot at the WR Grace Cup.
So much for the "good old days".

Also ran the final round in Seattle 3 times till we lost. Travis do you remember that? Or are you one of those that don't believe we landed on the moon?

And if NHRA did a proper teardown you would be hard pressed to spend more money to go faster.

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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 223800)

well i know it was set way low on purpose to avoid the AHFS, but 10.60 is a bit low. Maybe 10.75, or 10.80

It was set at 10.90 when the class was formed to allow the cars to run a little harder before the trigger. Len Imbrogno called or emailed most of the people who were asking for the AA class to be formed and asked them what the index should be. Those of us who were contacted tried to reach everyone who was not contacted, but I'm sure some people were missed, unfortunately. For example, I did not have Craig's contact information at the time, whether anyone else asked him, I do not know. The general consensus of the majority was the 10.90 index, and Len gave us exactly what we asked for.

None of that was considered when they lowered the indexes and changes the triggers for the AHFS. At 10.90, you'd have had to run a 9.500 to get 3.25%, under the original indexes and AHFS. That was just about ideal, because the records were initially set in the 9.6-9.7 zone, before the new cars were introduced. We knew all along it would make it very hard to qualify at Indy, because most people couldn't run fast enough in 3500-4000 feet of air.

Then they arbitrarily lowered it to 10.60 when they lowered all the other indexes. Maybe they should have lowered it a little, to 10.80, but not 10.60 by any stretch.

They will not change the index though, because it gives the new cars so much more room to run. At 10.60, you need to run a 9.3500 to get 3.25%. That's probably why the AA index was lowered to begin with, although I can also see where whoever made the decision to lower the indexes either didn't look or didn't care.

Alan,

That's exactly why the AA index was originally set at 10.90 but there were no other combinations that could run 9.30's.

Mark,

You may be missing my point relative to the AA index. The only combination (so far) that can run 9.60 in the heat is a blown car so the AHFS will never ever help the carburetor cars in the class and the blown cars will never get hit because there just isn't any reason to run any faster.

If I were smart, I'd push the Corvette into the corner and prepare the CJ for 2011 but that still doesn't fix the problem plus I'm not that smart.

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Originally Posted by Craig Couris (Post 223821)

Alan,

That's exactly why the AA index was originally set at 10.90 but there were no other combinations that could run 9.30's.

If I were smart, I'd push the Corvette into the corner and prepare the CJ for 2011 but that still doesn't fix the problem plus I'm not that smart.

At the time, there were no cars that could run in the 9.5's without mineshaft air. Which was exactly the point.

Now there are plenty of cars that can run 9.2 at 2500 feet or more.

If you were smart, you'd sell all that stuff and get richer quicker. And then you'd be bored silly. So stay stupid with the rest of us and we'll see you next February.

Alan,

I'm afraid the stupidity is starting to wear off.

Happy Thanksgiving,

Craig

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Originally Posted by Craig Couris (Post 223837)

Alan,

I'm afraid the stupidity is starting to wear off.

Happy Thanksgiving,

Craig

Yea right, it's a permanent disorder. Just like the rest of us

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Originally Posted by Craig Couris (Post 223837)

Alan,

I'm afraid the stupidity is starting to wear off.

Happy Thanksgiving,

Craig

Go out in the shop, take the lid off the fuel cell and take a light sniff. Take a breather out of the valve cover and take a light sniff. Take a good sniff of the left rear slick, then sit in the driver's seat, put one hand on the wheel, one on the shifter, and close your eyes. Get out, have a cold beer, and ignore your bank account balance.

Happy Thanksgiving to you too.

And yeah, I figure we'll see you next year. Even if we have to stop off on the way through, load your stuff, and drag you out to the truck.

What is this doing on the second page??

Make automatic 1.10 or 1.15 and put Travis in charge.