Re: take all the numbers off of the time slips, lol
 

....you are 100% correct....all the numbers just made bad drivers better

Re: take all the numbers off of the time slips, lol
 

Now a killer racer cuts lights lower than .512 and backs into you while holding a tenth. And we call that RACING.

Re: take all the numbers off of the time slips, lol
 

I'd welcome getting back to just et a nd mph on the time slip, but... While I enjoy all of today's technology and welcome any new stuff, I sometimes think we'd be better in the days when we all walked around with six-shooters on our belts. The problem with getting rid of all the numbers on the time slip is that Pandora's Box was opened as soon as the first track operator put a reaction time on the time slip, and no amount of arguing-discussing-voting is going to close it.

Re: take all the numbers off of the time slips, lol
 

I totally agree with getting rid of the reaction times, but it will never happen now that the genie is out of the bottle. Also bracket racing in S/SS will never end because it would require serious tech to control any other way and we all k now that aint gonna happen any time soon.

Re: take all the numbers off of the time slips, lol
 

"all the numbers just made bad drivers better "

Huh, never did done hep me any! LOL

Are ya' gonna leave the MOV on the slip? I always kinda liked seeing how bad I got my *** whipped.

Re: take all the numbers off of the time slips, lol
 

Well, I asked what the downside of having the incremental times on the time slip was, and nobody said anything that answered the question, so I'm goint to assume it's just one of those nebulous issues that SEEMS like a bad idea, but you just don't know why.

Otherwise, somebody would have said, "The reason I feel that showing incremental times is a bad idea is...."

And, nobody did.

So, I'll ask the other question: Several of you have criticized the practice of having reaction times on the time slip.
Since the opposing driver doesn't get to view this information until AFTER the race is over, what is the problem with showing it?

I have no opinion either way, nor a dog in this hunt, I'm just curious as to how someone finding out my reaction time (or, theirs) after the race is over, is going to help them beat me. Or, me, them, for that matter...

What's the rub, here???

Re: take all the numbers off of the time slips, lol
 

Me too!!

Re: take all the numbers off of the time slips, lol
 

OK; Ed, I get it. You think they're using the information off the timeslip to adjust the delay..

Fair enough.

Looks like we need better tech support for electronics sleuthing. How do you use a delay box in a footbraked (no transbrakes in Stock) car?

You can easily watch a transbrake car as it's being stalled and see that the chassis is not receiving any of that torque, so how do they use a delay box in a Stocker?

Re: take all the numbers off of the time slips, lol
 

This is a common misconception. A delay box would be *more* useful without reaction times shown on a timeslip. Go to a test and tune, roll numbers in until you turn it green. The only time you'd have to make any serious adjustment would be going from track to track to make up for rollout differences, but with just a small amount of data, that hump would quickly be overcome as well -- and the delay box user would be able to make those compensations much more quickly and accurately.

Slow transbrakes, long buttons, different tire sizes, different converters, different chassis setups, blinders, etc. It's not exactly a black art.

I made one pass in a SS/CM car a few years back. I assumed that the rollout would be very quick, so I 'hung' the bottom bulb on just a hair, and came up .032 or so. I quickly figured out that the rollout was actually identical to the Stocker I was driving at the time.

On the flip side, I've also driven cars that had the same 60', ET, and MPH, but the rollout was as much as a tenth different between them!


Having incrementals on a timeslip allows you to spot problems in the car, or heaven forbid, in the timing system.

Re: take all the numbers off of the time slips, lol
 

If one doesn't understand how a delay device could be used or for that matter useful in a class such as Stock or Super Stock you should ask the two racers that were using them, one in Stock & the other in Super Stock. Wasn't it Travis Miller D3 & Wesley Roberson D4 that each found cars with delay devices in classes where they were prohibited?