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Sean Cour 09-29-2009 01:12 PM
Re: Combine sticks & automatics
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Coe (Post 143340)
The one complaint I have is, an automatic can run radial tires worth twelve hundreths, stick cars can't. So if the horsepower and indexes are the same, the automatic has the advantage every time.
Stick cars can use radials. I know of at least four stick cars, albeit two in comp, that run radials with sticks. It's alot of tuning, but it can be done.

Sean

foglize 09-29-2009 02:18 PM
Re: Combine sticks & automatics
 
That would be awesome if they did. The hemi's are combined and there is no real difference. It would make having a stick a little more appealing, and make more cars for class. Instead of only one race a year where you have more than 3 cars in class.

And man would that help the old beaten up 295/327 combo in GT/AA
Stick=2650
Auto=2785

Andy Fogle

Mike Coe 09-29-2009 03:02 PM
Re: Combine sticks & automatics
 
Sean, we are talking stockers on a 9" tire and on a variety of tracks and conditions, I'd hate to try to run eliminations on any track leaving at 7000 RPM with a radial on my car! If someone could show me how, man, I'd be over a tenth under the record right now, cool!!

Chad Rhodes 09-29-2009 03:38 PM
Re: Combine sticks & automatics
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by foglize (Post 143368)
That would be awesome if they did. The hemi's are combined and there is no real difference. It would make having a stick a little more appealing, and make more cars for class. Instead of only one race a year where you have more than 3 cars in class.

And man would that help the old beaten up 295/327 combo in GT/AA
Stick=2650
Auto=2785

Andy Fogle
but do you really want to have to race Shaun Leblanc for class?

Jeff Lee 09-29-2009 04:36 PM
Re: Combine sticks & automatics
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Zlatkin (Post 143307)
Jeff,

First of all, forget spectators. Except for the US Natls. there really aren't any except our friends, family members and a few hard core individuals. If stock or super stock elim. could be considered a spectator sport to more than just a few hard core, we'd be watching that on ESPN2 instead of the same John Force ranting and raving interviews over and over.

I know it used to be believed that all else equal, a stick would outrun an automatic. But with all the advances in transmission and torque converter technowledgy, this my no longer be true.

My senario kind of proves this out. The stick has a 0.15 quicker index but the automatic has to carry 138 lbs. more. Doesn't that show both cars with the same potential?
When I tune into "Pinks All Out" and see no spectators in the bleachers, I'll take that into consideration. There is NO reason high-flyin' Stock and Superstock cars shouldn't be a fan favorite. Other that the inability to understand all the rules and classes maybe...

JRyan 09-29-2009 05:02 PM
Re: Combine sticks & automatics
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Coe (Post 143377)
Sean, we are talking stockers on a 9" tire and on a variety of tracks and conditions, I'd hate to try to run eliminations on any track leaving at 7000 RPM with a radial on my car! If someone could show me how, man, I'd be over a tenth under the record right now, cool!!
Mike,

I know of at least one BB car that runs a stick and the 9" radial and after he got the clutch right, the car is definitely faster. So it can be done.

Jerry

greg fulk 09-29-2009 05:51 PM
Re: Combine sticks & automatics
 
If this was to be done the powerglide car would have to be let have 3-speeds! ! example just look @ Div 3 Donnie Beeler & Tom Rambo... same car same engine SAME engine builder! Donnie is a atleast a .10 if not .15 quicker all the time. Ok got my Nitro Joe here Donnie ran a best 11.028 to Tom's 11.269 last year

Tom keedle 09-29-2009 05:52 PM
Re: Combine sticks & automatics
 
HEY!
I KNOW!
clutchless manual trans's....

Alan Roehrich 09-29-2009 05:52 PM
Re: Combine sticks & automatics
 
How about 1 pound weight breaks starting at 7.0 for AA and going up to 23.0 instead? :eek:

Michael Beard 09-29-2009 06:23 PM
Re: Combine sticks & automatics
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by greg fulk (Post 143417)
If this was to be done the powerglide car would have to be let have 3-speeds! ! example just look @ Div 3 Donnie Beeler & Tom Rambo... same car same engine SAME engine builder! Donnie is a atleast a .10 if not .15 quicker all the time. Ok got my Nitro Joe here Donnie ran a best 11.028 to Tom's 11.269 last year
I run an identical combination to some other cars in my class, built by the same engine builder, that are .10-.15 quicker than me. And we run the same trans, too. So? Somebody's always faster than somebody else. Heck, I've seen some cars go faster with a different driver in the seat of the same car!

If Sticks have an advantage... great! I think it'd be great to see more stick cars out there, as well as more heads-up racing in general.

Aren't there already some Super Stock classes and FWD's that have them combined, and just give a weight break to one trans? Or as someone else said, combine them, let 'em eat, and they'll sort themselves out.


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