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Jack,

Respectfully, Dennis is not the only one to benefit. Everyone who blows a motor and can safely control their damaged car to a stop would benefit. I believe that was mentioned in the first post.

Steve

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How about super stock cars that go in the air and touchs the oil pan on landing will a diaper hold up to this even if it only happens ocassionally and header clearance is also a problem . one of my tubes is on aboubt .060 from the oil pan what am i suppose to do go spend 2 k for headers this is a bs rule percentage wise there are not many oil downs from super stock cars i have been doing this a very long time some 30 plus years and maybe in that time i have seen 30 to 40 bad oil downs thats not to many a year do the math. just someone sticking there hand in my pocket again

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Dear Bob&Dennis if you only listen to one person you should at least listen to the most qualified and I think FJ Smith is one who knows what he's talking about.Claude Ruel

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I swore if we beat back the muffler rule I wouldn't complain about anything else; but in NHRA's infinite capacity to "milk" us they are indeed the gift that keeps on giving. In looking a various tight fits, and including our tie rods that goes through the pan, mfgs keep telling us they can fit anything, any minute gap they can deal with...I question the "retention" capability of material that can squeeze through our tight spaces, and or gaps caused by tie rods etc, between round maintenance, and loose material getting caught up in steering etc

It does indeed "smell" like a revenue enhancer (I assume replacements every two years like seat belts...what a joke) NHRA tried to "sell" us mufflers with multiple articles on it being a performance gain (as well as sound)....the credibility they lost on that and other Sportsman issues negate their "concern" over our safety (like sending us down damp foggy tracks at 10PM or later to get the race in)...so if they want to mandate a revenue stream, just do it....don't tell us your concerned about our safety

I was prepared to quit over mufflers, not so much on this, but I don't like it. The name change from diapers to oil rention devices is straight out of Madison Ave...cute, but a rose is still a rose

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I have already sent pictures of one of our SS/AH cars underneath. The real conflict as I see it is you can have oil retention or steering. I don't see both on one car. Today I am going to take pictures of Kevin Helms 69 Camaro 396 to see how much fun that would be. We asked for data on just how oil down's in S/SS are hurting before jumping into a decision (should I say mufflers). I and several others have expressed opinions on this matter to Bob Lang. It is being touted as a safety device and there is always a chance of getting oil on the rear tires from an engine problem. To me the bigger problem that I have asked for and documented for the last 15 years is steering on the Stock and especially SS that goes through the pan and headers. Add a nice wheelstand and 160 MPH. No we don't need rack-and-pinion steering!!! We average a couple of steering boxes a year on our cars. That is more of a safety hazard than oil in my opinion. Another knee-jerk reaction.

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Gary has the right idea. Before each S/SS session, the starter shall say "Raise your right hand ( thats the one close to the shifter) and repeat after me "I promise not to oil the track." Done deal. I love it when a plan comes together.

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My 69 camaro BBC super stocker has a DRE diaper on it and it fits like a glove. I guess there's no need to bother with the Helms's 396 camaro as a diaper will fit it without a doubt.

To those who wheelstand and are worried about it then don't do it. Run it like that Fine 409 and Highway car and you'll be all set and SUPER consistent.

Someone mentioned risk factor and being a wimp. Think about who's cleaning it up. It's not you. It's the owner of the facility at his cost.

All you have to do is call a worthwhile diaper manufacturer and they'll get it figured out for you.

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For this to be taken seriously, and I'm willing to take it as a serious promise, there have to be consequences if the promise is broken. What are the consequences that people are willing to put with if they promise not to oil the track and then they do?

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Based on the letter from Lang attached to this post it sounds like the debate is over and it's now "how do we make it happen". Just another prime example why fishing looks better every day.

Oil retention on stockers is like changing seat belts every two years, is this **** really necessary?

I think back on how many times sitting in the staging lanes all strapped in watching a top oil down dragster pour fluids from one end to the other. I can only think of stocker that actually blew and dropped oil, and that person set the car by the wall so the clean up was condensed.

Tim

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I don't like it, but if its going to happen, in the interest of safety, then it would seem natural that it apply to the faster cars that allready require additional $ and equipment....ie quicker than SS/JA for SS, and correspondingly fast Stock classes...remember in stock, if you are slow, you can still wear pajama pants.