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Re: Question to Ford, CJ Owners and supporters

Maybe we should just all go race PT Cruisers for a few years until the CJ's and DP's have there factors corrected.
I think we will be seeing alot more B/SA cars next year.....................

Re: Question to Ford, CJ Owners and supporters

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Originally Posted by davidhuff (Post 209952)

Sure looks like know one wants to answer this question.What the deal?

If I were looking at building a top of the line A-B-C Stocker and no CJ/DP, I would look at a $75K budget. Sure it could be done cheaper but a popular body (Camaro, Mustang, Mopar) can cost a minimum of $10K as a buy in and then you have your restoration cost. Personally, I would buy a new body from Dynacorn, even with their fitment issues. That's $15K right there.

Re: Question to Ford, CJ Owners and supporters

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Originally Posted by SSDiv6 (Post 209837)

Sean, how much do you think it will cost building a competitive AA, A, B or C Stocker that is not a CJ or DP?

A competitive car for the higher classes, built from scratch in today's dollars, can cost almost as much as a CJ or DP by the time you are done with building the car and doing all the R&D.

The problem is that it is not competitive against a Cobra Jet or Drag Pak even if you spent twice the amount. The Cobra Jets and Drag Paks start out with significant advantages that any other combination cannot overcome without larger runner volumes, larger throttle bodies, larger valves, greater lobe lift, and or power adders. Plus the deep pocket R&D of the manufacturer.

Re: Question to Ford, CJ Owners and supporters

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lee (Post 209963)

Jeff you would be buying a car. That was never on a showroom floor. And doesen't have a vin# for the year/model claimed.
According to some on here you shouldn't be allowed to run it.
Oops, Nevermind, it's a GM

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Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz (Post 209995)

Maybe we should just all go race PT Cruisers for a few years until the CJ's and DP's have there factors corrected.
I think we will be seeing alot more B/SA cars next year.....................

Why don't you build a Neon for SS like me.

Re: Question to Ford, CJ Owners and supporters

OK, sense the supporters of these cars keep coming back to say it's time to purchase these new cars, lets take a look at that idea. Lets say there are about 1,000 stock racers in north america and all the sudden half of them fall into a bucket of money and can buy one, well now we have another problem. There aren't enough cars and parts produced to build some of them, now that is why they are limited production and should be in super stock period.

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Originally Posted by art leong (Post 210133)

Why don't you build a Neon for SS like me.

But I already have a 1988 Shadow and a 1993 Eagle Talon waiting in the back yard, LOL.
I do plan on asking you for some advice in the near future though...

Re: Question to Ford, CJ Owners and supporters

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Originally Posted by Stewart Way (Post 209841)

My opinion. There is NO asterisk by John Calverts win at the Winternats. Why should there be. He has done it before and he will do it again. CJ, Dragpak or the Ole Stang. The factors are wrong, but to think that people build cars for the joy of qualifying low or not at all, or that they don't pick cars with an advantage is also wrong. Granted, some advantages are larger than others. How does Voth feel pulling his Monte up beside a Cobalt for class. Wonder if Cobalts should have an asterisk too? No.
Again, the factors are wrong but NO asterisk is by wins of these cars because they are LEGAL if built to the rules.
Just because you don't like the way things are doesn't put an asterisk anywhere.
Every winner has an advantage or every race would be a dead heat.

John calvert winning the Sunday eliminator (read: bracket race) definitely should not have asterisk. Any heads up wins or lcass wins on the other hand.....

Not one person has given a serious attempt at answering this question, because they know I'm right.

Re: Question to Ford, CJ Owners and supporters

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Originally Posted by RULER (Post 210149)

How many people are gonna or want to pay to watch a yard full of just Mustangs and Challenger go down the track? Maybe Ford will come up with another paper tiger like a 428 powered pick ups/suvs that can fit into the H through T stock classes. Hey now you're talking!!
Oh yeah, sell 'em on Monday!!
Until they find out they can't actually buy one to drive on the street.
What a bunch of malarkey.

JC

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Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy (Post 209790)

This is a serious question, not wanting to jest with someone saying I'm a 'CJ' hater or a Ford hater.

'Naw

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Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy (Post 209790)

I don't want to get involved in the 'is it underrated or isn't it' bitch fest. That's a waste of time, seriously debating the question is asinine at best. The car is obviously padded big time thanks to the big checks the Ford now sends the NHRA.

Not padded. Ford supplied the specs and NHRA accepted them.

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Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy (Post 209790)

What I would like an answer to is... What is Ford, and what are the racers getting out of this?

Ford: Marketing
Racers: Their money's worth on their investment

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Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy (Post 209790)

I could completely understand if you actually built a better mousetrap, you would have every right to feel triumphat.

Yep.

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Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy (Post 209790)

But seriously, just buying a car that literally makes all others obsolete, simply because of a bogus HP rating..... how is that enjoyable?

It does not make others obsolete; they end controlling a specific class. Again, the HP factors were submitted and NHRA accepted them. Blame NHRA.

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Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy (Post 209790)

Would you go to a water fight with a nuclear weapon?

Quite a disparity, but funny

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Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy (Post 209790)

Do you really think you have earned or deserve the performance, wins and records that the CJ now has? Do you think they are warranted?

They earned them because they were done with approved cars in the classification guide. Warranted? They were legal. BTW...do you wnat Sean Cour to return his trophy?

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Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy (Post 209790)

Do you enjoy wiping out the competition with the single signing of a check? How do you feel when you look at you trophy?

I responded earlier.

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Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy (Post 209790)

I'm sure there will be lots of drama and flaming, but I'll be skipping over that looking for an honest answer.

Here they are!!!