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Bob Pagano 02-20-2011 10:41 AM
Re: How much undeer the index is your record
 
Quote :Thats why the records are at altitude tracks. Go get you one if you dare

Did I not read that all runs, even alt. tracks count this year !?

Mike Carr 02-20-2011 10:48 AM
Re: How much undeer the index is your record
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by doublet (Post 241052)
The table is interesting, but being a non-racer, I have a couple of questions.

1. There are some classes where quite a bit of disparity exists between the index and the record just before and just after. For example: C/S record is .5 under the index, but B/S & D/S are both 1.05 under, and then E/S and F/S both go to .5 again. Why?

2. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the index supposed to be what a reasonably prepared race car should run on average each time down the track? Does this mean that, on average, for every car that consistantly can run 1 second under it's index, that there are an equal number of cars within that index that can't get within 1 second of it?

These may be stupid questions, but like I said, I am only a spectator.
Doublet, after two years, if a record is not re-set, it goes to a "minimum", which is five-tenths under (-.50). If the Index is 11.00, and the record is set at 9.79. If no one sets in lower in two years, the record goes to 10.50.

Pedigo Perf 02-20-2011 10:50 AM
Re: How much undeer the index is your record
 
Did I not read that all runs, even alt. tracks count this year !?[/QUOTE]

That's the "Dare" part. 2011 is a new game for going under.

MikeFicacci 02-20-2011 10:54 AM
Re: How much undeer the index is your record
 
They changed the altitude factor and the AHFS rules. Reset all those bull**** records and start from scratch.

Pedigo Perf 02-20-2011 11:37 AM
Re: How much undeer the index is your record
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeFicacci (Post 241072)
They changed the altitude factor and the AHFS rules. Reset all those bull**** records and start from scratch.
Why bother with records at all. The new ones will be Bull**** too the way everybody will be protecting their combinations. Heads up Class runs don't even show how fast a car is unless you count 1000 foot time records too!

skills 02-20-2011 11:58 AM
Re: How much undeer the index is your record
 
Question do they punish comp now for qualifying runs too? Perhaps nhra needs to move it to 1.50 under then and yet people chase the record. They make record runs a big thing for the pros so why not let the sportsman get maybe their entry money back for a record. As a spectator its fun to watch people run fast isn't that what the sport is about....performance. If your dodge and a challenger runs the quickest stock run in history isn't that something for them to advertise? Sure it isn't a street challenger but neither are the scca cars but mazda advertises their road racing heritge all the time. Giving something back to the class racers will only swell the entries and make nhra stronger.

Stockerstang 02-20-2011 12:20 PM
Re: How much undeer the index is your record
 
I agree with Altitude adjusted track records being 'suspect'. Answer to my post a while ago stated that the adjustment formula being used was one pilots use to help on take offs with marginal conditions? i may be wrong about this but i believe thats the 'formula' being used. If M/SA index was still 13.15...current record would be 1.62 under! Would that be possible (even the new index record) at a sea level track? Just thinking these records are suspect. No harm intended..if they are legit, good deal to the folks who set them. Would love to see what these guys run at a sea level track though.....just out of curiosity.

Jeff Lee 02-20-2011 02:29 PM
Re: How much undeer the index is your record
 
My last record was in E/S @ 10.72. That would be at least a 10.52 at a place like Englishtown or the Dutch.
My D/S runs of 10.55 in Arizona would be a 10.35 in Englishtown or the Dutch Classic. Easily. And that was 5-6 years ago.
It's not that difficult to run "way under" in those conditions. It's not always talent, it's the weather!

Bob Bender 02-20-2011 04:07 PM
Re: How much undeer the index is your record
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stockerstang (Post 241095)
I agree with Altitude adjusted track records being 'suspect'. Answer to my post a while ago stated that the adjustment formula being used was one pilots use to help on take offs with marginal conditions? i may be wrong about this but i believe thats the 'formula' being used. If M/SA index was still 13.15...current record would be 1.62 under! Would that be possible (even the new index record) at a sea level track? Just thinking these records are suspect. No harm intended..if they are legit, good deal to the folks who set them. Would love to see what these guys run at a sea level track though.....just out of curiosity.
ME TOO.....................O/SA car ran 12.89 has record at 12.18 ???

gmonde 02-20-2011 04:19 PM
Re: How much undeer the index is your record
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Lee (Post 241121)
My last record was in E/S @ 10.72. That would be at least a 10.52 at a place like Englishtown or the Dutch.
My D/S runs of 10.55 in Arizona would be a 10.35 in Englishtown or the Dutch Classic. Easily. And that was 5-6 years ago.
It's not that difficult to run "way under" in those conditions. It's not always talent, it's the weather!
what did the car weigh ????


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