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Pedigo Perf 03-12-2014 09:34 PM

Re: big base circle cam in stock elem.
 
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Originally Posted by Jim Hanig (Post 424133)
How can they change their mind now I thought this was a done deal a year ago.. Not that they will ck for it any way.

Trust me, they definately do check for it. And pulling the cam out is apparently necessary to measure it. Not much fun, and hard on the tennis elbow when your balancer is as tight as mine is. Fortunately I had a stock size cam bore but I had intended to go with a 55mm but just didn't get it done in time.

I have an email indicating the large core cam is ok as long as you aren't using roller cam bearings. I will try to find it and post it if I can.

Tracy

Todd Hoven 03-12-2014 11:17 PM

Re: big base circle cam in stock elem.
 
I've never done it, but pontiac has problems with cam bearings. If you spin one and do excessive damage to the journal how would you repair it? They don't make an oversize cam bearing for my deal. I think the 50mm would be logical for a repair.


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Originally Posted by SSDiv6 (Post 424190)
Now that is funny! There is a difference between repairing a block and machining the camshaft tunnel to use a bigger diameter cam.


Paul Precht 03-12-2014 11:33 PM

Re: big base circle cam in stock elem.
 
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Originally Posted by Todd Hoven (Post 424216)
I've never done it, but pontiac has problems with cam bearings. If you spin one and do excessive damage to the journal how would you repair it? They don't make an oversize cam bearing for my deal. I think the 50mm would be logical for a repair.

A decent machinist could make a sleeve and the machining process would be similar to sleeving a cylinder.

SHANE R 03-12-2014 11:37 PM

Re: big base circle cam in stock elem.
 
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Originally Posted by Paul Precht (Post 424217)
A decent machinist could make a sleeve and the machining process would be similar to sleeving a cylinder.

NEXT THING YOU KNOW, FUEL INJECTION WILL BE ILLEGAL ON 69 CAMARO'S ?????????:eek:

SStockDart 03-13-2014 12:05 AM

Re: big base circle cam in stock elem.
 
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Originally Posted by Paul Precht (Post 424217)
A decent machinist could make a sleeve and the machining process would be similar to sleeving a cylinder.

Paul, you are assuming that you use a standard cam bearing and not a roller bearing, right? I believe that is the issue.

TILBURG 03-13-2014 12:06 AM

Re: big base circle cam in stock elem.
 
The first post was about "BIG BASE CIRCLE" cams. When someone has a minute could you please forward me a spread sheet w/ what the stock base circles are for everything amc,ford,chry.chevy,hudson (you never know) What if you have big power adder like a 4/7 swap cam? And it ends up being the same as a ford would something like that be considered as crossbreeding?How do you tell the car (driver) in say B stock auto that just got his 440,396,427 etc A#S drug down the track by a 2014 302 you have to go home because your base circle is to big.

Paul Precht 03-13-2014 12:37 AM

Re: big base circle cam in stock elem.
 
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Originally Posted by SStockDart (Post 424219)
Paul, you are assuming that you use a standard cam bearing and not a roller bearing, right? I believe that is the issue.

Just talkin about a repair for a stock Pontiac block with standard cam bearings, that's what I thought Todd was referring to.

SStockDart 03-13-2014 01:50 AM

Re: big base circle cam in stock elem.
 
I guess I don't really understand the issue here....What is the advantage to a large bearing cam shaft, as opposed to a standard bearing...????? I understand how a roller bearing camshaft bearing might make a half a horsepower.....plus add to the longevity of the engine. but a standard cam bearing versus a larger one??????? then why do Mopar guys use smaller rod bearings (chevy)...??? I'm just saying

Billy Nees 03-13-2014 05:28 AM

Re: big base circle cam in stock elem.
 
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Originally Posted by SStockDart (Post 424224)
I guess I don't really understand the issue here....What is the advantage to a large bearing cam shaft, as opposed to a standard bearing...?????

The issue here isn't the larger cam bearing, it's the larger base circle LOBE that the larger bearing register allows you to fit in.

Todd Hoven 03-13-2014 06:36 AM

Re: big base circle cam in stock elem.
 
Exactly!! Great post.


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Originally Posted by TILBURG (Post 424220)
The first post was about "BIG BASE CIRCLE" cams. When someone has a minute could you please forward me a spread sheet w/ what the stock base circles are for everything amc,ford,chry.chevy,hudson (you never know) What if you have big power adder like a 4/7 swap cam? And it ends up being the same as a ford would something like that be considered as crossbreeding?How do you tell the car (driver) in say B stock auto that just got his 440,396,427 etc A#S drug down the track by a 2014 302 you have to go home because your base circle is to big.



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