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Dwight Southerland 01-01-2015 10:57 AM

Re: Pistons
 
Depends on the piston. A lot of piston configurations so not lend themselves to equal balance around the centerline of the pin. For example, BBC 396 high compression piston is unbalanced no matter what you do that is reasonable. You can add a lot of weight to the flat side of the piston to balance it, but is the extra overall weight infringing on the advnatge of minimum reciprocating weight? You can offset the pin, but it will take .150" to .210" offset to acheive balance.


Note: The above numbers were calculated using minimum weight Stock Eliminator pistons. You numbers will vary according to your restrictions.


When I built the engine for the Corvette (SS) I worked to achieve a better balance relative to the pin centerline. Did it help? Who knows?!? A-B-A was not attempted, it just sounded good and trick to converse about in techno-savvy circles.


I have seen pistons out of a very fast 283 SS engine that had the pin offset by .090"

Jim Hanig 01-01-2015 12:14 PM

Re: Pistons
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland (Post 457085)
Depends on the piston. A lot of piston configurations so not lend themselves to equal balance around the centerline of the pin. For example, BBC 396 high compression piston is unbalanced no matter what you do that is reasonable. You can add a lot of weight to the flat side of the piston to balance it, but is the extra overall weight infringing on the advnatge of minimum reciprocating weight? You can offset the pin, but it will take .150" to .210" offset to acheive balance.


Note: The above numbers were calculated using minimum weight Stock Eliminator pistons. You numbers will vary according to your restrictions.


When I built the engine for the Corvette (SS) I worked to achieve a better balance relative to the pin centerline. Did it help? Who knows?!? A-B-A was not attempted, it just sounded good and trick to converse about in techno-savvy circles.


I have seen pistons out of a very fast 283 SS engine that had the pin offset by .090"

Dwight would the off set be to right or to the center?

Dwight Southerland 01-01-2015 03:46 PM

Re: Pistons
 
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e2...ps15ebbb6e.jpg

Billy Nees 01-01-2015 05:14 PM

Re: Pistons
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland (Post 457123)

Assuming that we are looking at the front of the engine in your picture, then on a V8 engine the drivers side pistons would be offset toward the intake side of the engine and the passenger side pistons would be offset toward the exhaust.

Jim Hanig 01-01-2015 08:20 PM

Re: Pistons
 
That's what I thought, thanks.

Mike Taylor 3601 01-02-2015 11:09 AM

Re: Pistons
 
people use to turn mopar piston around backwards in old days was supposed to make them faster, the diagram posted is for quieter operation,isn't offset the opposite for power?
I would guess the taller the compression height of the piston,the more difference this would make?
MikeTaylor 3601

Ed Wright 01-02-2015 12:21 PM

Re: Pistons
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Taylor 3601 (Post 457201)
people use to turn mopar piston around backwards in old days was supposed to make them faster, the diagram posted is for quieter operation,isn't offset the opposite for power?
I would guess the taller the compression height of the piston,the more difference this would make?
MikeTaylor 3601

Back in the 1960s "reverse offset" was the hot setup for Jr. Stockers. LOL

fordteacherguy 01-02-2015 12:41 PM

Re: Pistons
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland (Post 457085)
Depends on the piston. A lot of piston configurations so not lend themselves to equal balance around the centerline of the pin. For example, BBC 396 high compression piston is unbalanced no matter what you do that is reasonable. You can add a lot of weight to the flat side of the piston to balance it, but is the extra overall weight infringing on the advnatge of minimum reciprocating weight? You can offset the pin, but it will take .150" to .210" offset to acheive balance.


Note: The above numbers were calculated using minimum weight Stock Eliminator pistons. You numbers will vary according to your restrictions.


When I built the engine for the Corvette (SS) I worked to achieve a better balance relative to the pin centerline. Did it help? Who knows?!? A-B-A was not attempted, it just sounded good and trick to converse about in techno-savvy circles.


I have seen pistons out of a very fast 283 SS engine that had the pin offset by .090"

Here is a link to JE's new line of asymmetrical pistons that are built offset with attaching article and video..

Most are import applications but you get the point.

http://www.jepistons.com/Articles/10...d-Pistons.aspx

Jeff Stout 01-02-2015 04:52 PM

Re: Pistons
 
Anyone care to put a HP gain by doing this?

FED 387 01-02-2015 11:10 PM

Re: Pistons
 
HP Minimal---- if anything---RPM capabilities / rate of acceleration probably more due to to lighter piston weight but HP negligible


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