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cmracing 12-14-2016 08:55 PM

Re: No tech penalties.
 
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Originally Posted by novassdude (Post 522347)
I think one thing that is going to be a big question is what happens when a racer is found illegal half way thru a race? Just for conversation sake say the racer is found to have a performance enhancing or electronic enhancement that helped him win a few rounds. Now you have a couple racers that lost to an illegal car. Do they get put back in the ladder some how?

Will never happen. We face this same problem with normal Bracket Racing also. The cheater will get tossed, and anyone that lost to that person are spectators. Can't undo it........ But depending on what the violation was, that cheater can be fined, banned from that track for a month/year, or banned from NHRA racing for quite sometime.........

Back in my roundy-round days, that type of thing was handled off-site if you catch my meaning..........:D

Jeff Stout 12-14-2016 11:28 PM

Re: No tech penalties.
 
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Originally Posted by cmracing (Post 522360)
Will never happen. We face this same problem with normal Bracket Racing also. The cheater will get tossed, and anyone that lost to that person are spectators. Can't undo it........ But depending on what the violation was, that cheater can be fined, banned from that track for a month/year, or banned from NHRA racing for quite sometime.........

Back in my roundy-round days, that type of thing was handled off-site if you catch my meaning..........:D

Depends on what the cheating infraction is. Lied about helmet expiration has nothing to do with outcome of round. When 2 cars are classed in different classes and 1 has (wrong carb, trans, motor) has nothing to do with outcome of round. Shoe polish round. If 2 cars are in the same class and heads up race is in play and (wrong carb, trans, motor) then outcome of round could be over turned if winning car is caught cheating.
These are 3 ways of cheating and only 1 scenario could change the outcome of the round. The other 2 ways of cheating should have a fine depending on how bad the infraction is.
There are 2 ways of cheating. Safety infraction and performance advantage infraction.

cmracing 12-15-2016 11:34 AM

Re: No tech penalties.
 
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Originally Posted by Jeff Stout (Post 522378)
Depends on what the cheating infraction is. Lied about helmet expiration has nothing to do with outcome of round. When 2 cars are classed in different classes and 1 has (wrong carb, trans, motor) has nothing to do with outcome of round. Shoe polish round. If 2 cars are in the same class and heads up race is in play and (wrong carb, trans, motor) then outcome of round could be over turned if winning car is caught cheating.
These are 3 ways of cheating and only 1 scenario could change the outcome of the round. The other 2 ways of cheating should have a fine depending on how bad the infraction is.
There are 2 ways of cheating. Safety infraction and performance advantage infraction.

You are correct. A heads-up round and the winner is found to be illegal after the pass, the other car is re-instated. But, what if the loser was also illegal but drove past the scales/fuel check after the loss? Does that car go through tech after being re-instated? Who knows what they may have changed after the loss just in case...........

Jeff Stout 12-15-2016 03:02 PM

Re: No tech penalties.
 
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Originally Posted by cmracing (Post 522403)
You are correct. A heads-up round and the winner is found to be illegal after the pass, the other car is re-instated. But, what if the loser was also illegal but drove past the scales/fuel check after the loss? Does that car go through tech after being re-instated? Who knows what they may have changed after the loss just in case...........

My understanding is if you go past scales your out. I guess the answer would be to never bypass scale until winner is verified legal. If both are illegal both are out

Billy Nees 12-15-2016 03:56 PM

Re: No tech penalties.
 
Once upon a time a million years ago, I was at a National Event and after losing the round the NHRA Techs weighed and fuel checked the winner so I drove away. They also did a quick spot check on him and found some loose ballast in the car. A Tech Inspector came and got me and told me to go back to the scales "NOW!".

Ed Wright 12-15-2016 04:33 PM

Re: No tech penalties.
 
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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 522426)
Once upon a time a million years ago, I was at a National Event and after losing the round the NHRA Techs weighed and fuel checked the winner so I drove away. They also did a quick spot check on him and found some loose ballast in the car. A Tech Inspector came and got me and told me to go back to the scales "NOW!".

Had that happen too. Long time ago.

Marty Rinehart Jr 12-15-2016 10:46 PM

Re: No tech penalties.
 
Thanks for sharing that Denny

Adger Smith 12-16-2016 01:10 AM

Re: No tech penalties.
 
Jeff,
I disagree with you assessment that the wrong engine, carb & tranny makes no difference in the Shoe polish rounds. I think it could. If a guy has a small engine class and he has trouble making it run the index all he has to do is up the engine size or cheat it up someway and he is in the program instead of out. I would be pissed if a guy that was not even capable of running the index legally got in the program and beat my honest/legal car.

Chris1529 12-16-2016 08:11 AM

Re: No tech penalties.
 
It could/would affect qualifying positions in general.

Jeff Stout 12-16-2016 12:20 PM

Re: No tech penalties.
 
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Originally Posted by Adger Smith (Post 522461)
Jeff,
I disagree with you assessment that the wrong engine, carb & tranny makes no difference in the Shoe polish rounds. I think it could. If a guy has a small engine class and he has trouble making it run the index all he has to do is up the engine size or cheat it up someway and he is in the program instead of out. I would be pissed if a guy that was not even capable of running the index legally got in the program and beat my honest/legal car.

Valid point on a car not qualifying. Also Adger thanks on the high altitude adjustments a couple weeks ago it worked.


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