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bykr 08-20-2020 11:57 AM

Re: Anti- sieze on NGK TR55 plugs
 
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Originally Posted by Jeff Stout (Post 621355)
I understand the anti seize because of 2 different metals, but I thought that it enhanced poor grounding of plug to head. Maybe I dreamed it.

In theory maybe but there's plenty of metal to metal contact at the gasket area.

e vassar 08-20-2020 04:33 PM

Re: Anti- sieze on NGK TR55 plugs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bykr (Post 621356)
In theory maybe but there's plenty of metal to metal contact at the gasket area.

Interesting theory....
Since spark plugs operate at a very high voltage 40K volts or more?...but very low current something measured in miliamps . A very small contact area with the head should be enough grounding....In theory...would like to hear more on this ...these plugs have a tapered seat and no washer to compress. When the seat hits the head...thats it..they dont really turn after that. I dont see how they can be over tightened without causing severe damage. So im going to theorize (again) that the plugs were so hard to get out because they have been in there awhile, and no anti-seize was used.

Jeff Stout 08-20-2020 06:19 PM

Re: Anti- sieze on NGK TR55 plugs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by e vassar (Post 621377)
Interesting theory....
Since spark plugs operate at a very high voltage 40K volts or more?...but very low current something measured in miliamps . A very small contact area with the head should be enough grounding....In theory...would like to hear more on this ...these plugs have a tapered seat and no washer to compress. When the seat hits the head...thats it..they dont really turn after that. I dont see how they can be over tightened without causing severe damage. So im going to theorize (again) that the plugs were so hard to get out because they have been in there awhile, and no anti-seize was used.

You saying taper seat plugs on aluminum head? Didn't think that was possible.

Jim Caughlin 08-20-2020 07:20 PM

Re: Anti- sieze on NGK TR55 plugs
 
After ripping the threads out of my alum head from a seized spark plug, I'm not inclined to put in a plug without anti-seize again. Incidentally, happened at a divisional race 1000 miles from home so not the most opportune time for it to happen.

Jim Caughlin
SS6019

KRatcliff 08-20-2020 07:20 PM

Re: Anti- sieze on NGK TR55 plugs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout (Post 621382)
You saying taper seat plugs on aluminum head? Didn't think that was possible.

Taper seat plugs are what we use on our LT1 and LS1 aluminum heads.

Jeff Stout 08-20-2020 08:12 PM

Re: Anti- sieze on NGK TR55 plugs
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KRatcliff (Post 621390)
Taper seat plugs are what we use on our LT1 and LS1 aluminum heads.

Thank you. Learned something new

Dissident 08-20-2020 08:45 PM

Re: Anti- sieze on NGK TR55 plugs
 
Biggest problem with anti-seize is that folks tend to slop it on instead of using small amounts per the mfg's instructions.:eek:
Regards,
HB2:)
Dissident

SSDiv6 08-20-2020 11:18 PM

Re: Anti- sieze on NGK TR55 plugs
 
I use anti-seize, however, not all anti-seize products are the same. I recommend either a Copper or Nickle based high temperature antiseize. The Champion brand that Curtis Reed showed in the earlier post is a very great product used in aviation.

Based on recommendations from a friend that managed a NASCAR engine shop for many years, I use Copaslip high temp anti-sieze on the spark plug threads. Copaslip makes two products, Copaslip and Molyslip; the one to use is Copaslip without moly. Moly, when exposed to high temperatures may induce corrosion.

Another great product is Jet-Lube NIKAL anti-seize, which is nickel based and the Ford XL-2 High Temperature Nickel Anti-Seize.

Not only I recommend these products for spark plugs, but also with O2 sensors.

Also, proper torque is critical, for the right thread engagement I suggest using the manufacturer specification. I have seen to many plugs that appear to have been installed with a breaker bar. It is also recommended that when you have a sealing washer, torque, loosen and re-torque to compress the washer, making sure you get the proper thread engagement and heat transfer.

Dave Noll 08-22-2020 01:06 PM

Re: Anti- sieze on NGK TR55 plugs
 
With dissimilar metals (steel spark plug, aluminium head) there's an electrolysis that occurs. That is what welds the plugs into the heads like in Jims example. Electricians use it for the same reason. The same electrolysis that occurs in the cooling system and can be measured with a volt meter because its acting like a battery. And where an anode saves other things in the cooling system from erosion.

Ed Wright 08-22-2020 02:46 PM

Re: Anti- sieze on NGK TR55 plugs
 
I also use it on intake & header bolts. Anything that screws into aluminum.


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