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Oh boy.........:rolleyes:

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Gregg Luneack is absolutely correct. Since the beginning of time racers have been DQ ed.....NHRA sent me packing twice , too much valve spring pressure and stainless valves when they were a NO NO ....I took it like a man , fixed my issues ...and returned to the track. A couple of thou over on camshaft lift, a few grams under the rod,piston weight, 800 cfm q-jet when specs call for a 750, ....hey it happens, racers make mistakes ......

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and this too!

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"Now why don't we talk about Electronic cheating, nobody has much to say about that?" Greg Luneack


Since we know NHRA doesn't have the man power, I think we should be talking about what counter measures can be enacted through the rules that make electronic cheating less feasible. What changes are racers willing to tolerate, that make it more difficult to cheat?

Are we willing to give up drive shaft speed sensors?

Are we willing to use NHRA certified ignition boxes and tachs? Ignitions and tachs that could allow NHRA to easily plug in a diagnostic device to see if its been tampered with?

Are we willing to have qualified fields that make it difficult to sandbag. I believe down track timing controls are more effective if your able to run a dial in (drive shaft speed profile) that are 3-4 tenths slower than the car is capable of running.

Should we all pay an extra $50 on the entry fee to pay for a tech savy official to really do a good job of rooting out electronic cheating devices at NHRA sanctioned events?

Should a separate Nostalgia Stock and Super Stock class be created that prohibits programmable ignitions such as the grid. Maybe run cable drive tachs again? Let the new EFI cars run whatever they want in their own class?

I don't know what the answer is, but I am interested in it what others think will work to deter electronic cheating. NHRA clearly is on our side when it comes to prohibiting electronic cheating, but we need to be realistic about what can be reasonably expected from NHRA Tech without changes to make their job easier.

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Good point Brian

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I don't have an interest in seeing anyone get a vacation from racing but.....cheating is cheating. If you get told something is illegal....lets just say your throttle body was deemed illegal after a class win and going more than 1.20 under. What kind of penalty should be implied? Serious question. In this instance it seems the racer was DQed from that race, no HP was given and racer is participating at the next race. Now...on that question. SInce the infraction was actually in class eliminations which technically was Class for the Gators and not the actual Div race but the penalty was implied to the Div race. I am just lost on where NHRA stands on penalties for cheating. YES, everybody pushes the grey area in the Rule Book. Remember....its not cheating unless you get caught....or that's what I am told lol. Like MJ said, if you get caught, take it like a man because ultimately you knew it was wrong. So what should be the penalty be?

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Another issue that needs to be addressed by NHRA is that penalties are not imposed equally. Some get fined and/or suspended and others just a slap on the hand for the same or similar violations.

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Agree. Policies have been inconsistent and clear as mud.

Let's go back some years ago when NHRA started bouncing people with Quadrajets that appeared to be polished or did not have any casting flashing. Still remember showing NHRA Tech, a brand new Quadrajet, still sealed in the factory wrapper. I just had opened the box and they unwrapped it themselves, when they looked at the venturis, there were no flaws and they looked perfect. I asked them if the carburetor would be illegal and they were perplexed that a new carburetor would look that way.

All I said was, "how about if the manufacturer changed their process for cleaning castings with a new method and this happens to be the result? Is it the racers fault? How about developing some criteria and share what is acceptable and what is not? All they did was to take some pictures of the carburetor and no answer to the issue.

It also appears that the casting finish inspections by NHRA on carburetors stopped when all the newly approved replacement Edelbrock and QFT carburetors were made available.

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One year at St Louis NHRA pulled us all over after a TT and went over our wiring. They supplied the floor jacks if needed and they really looked them over. The tech guy I had questioned one particular wire and he ask me " where does this wire go" ? For the life of me, I don't know why I said what I said. I answered " that goes to my delay box" ! In my mind, I said Trans Brake. But that's not what came out of my mouth. My brother gave me that what the ? look.. LOL. I realized what I had said and quickly rephrased my answer. But the damage was already done ... I was there for a while .. LOL

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Start with something incredibly simple, a cubic inch tester. They already carry one in the tech trailer. Wouldn't take but a few minutes to pump an engine up. If something looks fishy, keep going from there.