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Mark Yacavone 01-26-2023 01:40 PM
Re: X/stock redux
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Henrys Toy (Post 674844)
Good morning to all,
Would that the famous " Iron Duke " ?
I do remember working on a couple of customer cars many ( too many ) years ago with that engine in it, In the 1964 / 1965 Nova - Chevy II Bodies.
I don't remember any around Long Island N.Y. in the 66/ 67 Nova bodies or the 68 / 72 Nova bodies. I also know just because I didn't see any doesn't mean a couple didn't exist somewhere out there!
That could be pretty cool combo hooked up to a TH200 transmission.
Food for Thought, sounds fattening!
Enjoy the thought process.

Respectfully,
Henry Kunz 1534 H/SA
Nope... Often confused with The Duke, the 153 inch (151 Duke ) is a different bore and stroke. When Pontiac resurrected the econo-four concept, they did use the original tooling from the Chevy engine. Some of the parts, for instance the pan gaskets will interchange.
The first Dukes did use the Chevy bell housing pattern but then it went to the corporate FWD pattern.
Adding to the confusion, the 153 was used in mail Jeeps, as was the later 151 P.
151's were used by AMC too, before introducing their own 151.
Pontiac 151 Super Duty parts won't readily interchange with the 153 either.
The 153s were also used in marine applications. Some were of more displacement, such as the 181 Merc Cruisers.

Mark Yacavone 05-01-2023 08:07 PM
Re: X/stock redux
 
A couple more additions to the proposal in the Build section :-)

Mike Schwartz 05-01-2023 11:29 PM
Re: X/stock redux
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 674841)
C'mon ,boys. Time to get off the couch and put those computers to good use. Support those local combos with a dime rocket:

http://www.classracerinfo.com/CGPage...7&MAKE=Granada
Years ago, I had a '78 Fairmont 4-door with a six. A collision killed any thoughts of building it (R-T-U/SA). I did manage to win a gamblers' race at Englishtown while missing the front bumper and grille. :D

Billy Nees 05-02-2023 07:31 AM
Re: X/stock redux
 
Mark, we've got it all wrong! NHRA doesn't want any more "underclassmen" in their racing program. Apparently, we don't spend (or won't spend) enough money to interest them. They want AAA,AAAA and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/FS and Stock to keep the other end of the Eliminator happy.
Recently, I asked my new DD (a nice kid BTW) to ask about expanding the FWD classes by a couple (or few) because of the amounts of weight that I must add to change classes which basically makes my combos into single-class cars. I got a letter (through him) by Pat C. telling me that I can remove or add 420 lbs. (that's 840 lbs. in a 2600 lb. car!) to my CF/S combo to move classes. He didn't or wouldn't mention my AF/S combo (the car that I was racing on the day that I had my talk with my new DD) which requires a 1200 lb. swing to go to AAF/S or BF/S.

They don't even know their own rules, General Regulations specifically states that a car can't have more than 500 LBS. of removable OR permanent ballast. When I brought this to their attention, I got crickets!

BG56 05-02-2023 09:15 AM
Re: X/stock redux
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 679900)
Mark, we've got it all wrong! NHRA doesn't want any more "underclassmen" in their racing program. Apparently, we don't spend (or won't spend) enough money to interest them. They want AAA,AAAA and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/FS and Stock to keep the other end of the Eliminator happy.
Recently, I asked my new DD (a nice kid BTW) to ask about expanding the FWD classes by a couple (or few) because of the amounts of weight that I must add to change classes which basically makes my combos into single-class cars. I got a letter (through him) by Pat C. telling me that I can remove or add 420 lbs. to my CF/S combo to move classes. He didn't or wouldn't mention my AF/S combo (the car that I was racing on the day that I had my talk with my new DD) which requires a 1200 lb. swing to go to AAF/S or BF/S.

They don't even know their own rules, General Regulations specifically states that a car can't have more than 500 LBS. of removable OR permanent ballast. When I brought this to their attention, I got crickets!
Not to mention WHERE would you fit SIX Avg. GROWN MEN??!:D

Mark Yacavone 05-02-2023 12:33 PM
Re: X/stock redux
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 679900)
Mark, we've got it all wrong! NHRA doesn't want any more "underclassmen" in their racing program. Apparently, we don't spend (or won't spend) enough money to interest them. They want AAA,AAAA and AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA/FS and Stock to keep the other end of the Eliminator happy.
Recently, I asked my new DD (a nice kid BTW) to ask about expanding the FWD classes by a couple (or few) because of the amounts of weight that I must add to change classes which basically makes my combos into single-class cars. I got a letter (through him) by Pat C. telling me that I can remove or add 420 lbs. (that's 840 lbs. in a 2600 lb. car!) to my CF/S combo to move classes. He didn't or wouldn't mention my AF/S combo (the car that I was racing on the day that I had my talk with my new DD) which requires a 1200 lb. swing to go to AAF/S or BF/S.

They don't even know their own rules, General Regulations specifically states that a car can't have more than 500 LBS. of removable OR permanent ballast. When I brought this to their attention, I got crickets!
I almost said ..unbelievable , but then again, it IS..

Tom Meyer 05-02-2023 03:39 PM
Re: X/stock redux
 
Seems to me there was a article about the 153 in a book that showed the things they did with them for some kind of mini sprint. They were putting a sb chevy head on it, same head gasket? And may have used 283 pistons in them. What is the bore size and stroke on the 153? I have a beat to crap 64 not rusty 4 door that is V8 car I would give to the cause. Tom

Billy Nees 05-02-2023 04:30 PM
Re: X/stock redux
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Meyer (Post 679911)
Seems to me there was a article about the 153 in a book that showed the things they did with them for some kind of mini sprint. They were putting a sb chevy head on it, same head gasket? And may have used 283 pistons in them. What is the bore size and stroke on the 153? I have a beat to crap 64 not rusty 4 door that is V8 car I would give to the cause. Tom
Hi Tom! You would re-tap the block for the SBC head. Bore spacings are the same. A 153 and a 230 both use 283 pistons but have a 3.25 (307) stroke.

Please don't mention that '64 4 door again in front of Yac please!!!!! Bad things could happen.

Greg Reimer 7376 05-02-2023 06:21 PM
Re: X/stock redux
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyn Smith (Post 674798)
Just sold a 153 4 cylinder engine a few weeks ago. Pretty rare option in a Nova, but they did use that engine in postal vans. It was an
option up to 1970 in the Novas.
Seems to me that the 4 cyl.Chevy powered postal van/truck also came mounted up to a 904 Torqueflite trans with a Chevy bell housing on the TF case. I guess cores are pretty rare, but it might be something to consider and start looking for.

Tom Meyer 05-02-2023 06:51 PM
Re: X/stock redux
 
[

Please don't mention that '64 4 door again in front of Yac please!!!!! Bad things could happen.[/QUOTE]

Loge is headed that way, could send it. Tom


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