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JP1738 02-18-2025 10:41 AM
Re: No Mine Shaft for 2025!
 
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James Perrone 02-18-2025 12:28 PM
Re: No Mine Shaft for 2025!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JP1738 (Post 709614)
wtf is the point of AHFS if it isn't employed at races where guys actually have to run their ***** wide open?
The idea of mineshaft is that the weather is stupid fast for everybody
Including you slow poke
When you have more than 50% of the field going 85 under that means it?s freaking fast out there

Mineshaft is more helpful than harmful

JP1738 02-18-2025 01:55 PM
Re: No Mine Shaft for 2025!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by James Perrone (Post 709621)
The idea of mineshaft is that the weather is stupid fast for everybody
Including you slow poke
When you have more than 50% of the field going 85 under that means it's freaking fast out there

Mineshaft is more helpful than harmful
hey hey hey, no name calling lol

Anyway, fair. I can see the importance and necessity of a mineshaft rule. Maybe more generally, when the mineshaft rule isn't/wouldn't be in play, why do we not have AHFS at all of those races too? Like Indy, National opens, etc? Also, what defines mineshaft air and who makes the decision on when the air is too good?

Pistol Pete 02-18-2025 03:36 PM
Re: No Mine Shaft for 2025!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JP1738 (Post 709634)
hey hey hey, no name calling lol

Anyway, fair. I can see the importance and necessity of a mineshaft rule. Maybe more generally, when the mineshaft rule isn't/wouldn't be in play, why do we not have AHFS at all of those races too? Like Indy, National opens, etc? Also, what defines mineshaft air and who makes the decision on when the air is too good?
Read post 12.
When more than 50% of the field goes more than 85 under.
It used to go to the mineshaft rule.

JGrossijr 02-18-2025 03:52 PM
Re: No Mine Shaft for 2025!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by James Perrone (Post 709621)
...When you have more than 50% of the field going 85 under that means it?s freaking fast out there.
By that definition Indy 2024 was a mineshaft. More than half the Stock field was over a second under.
The relationship between AHFS and indexes is out of whack

jmantle 02-18-2025 07:34 PM
Re: No Mine Shaft for 2025!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick J (Post 709612)
What's the piston ding problem?
As you are not allowed to notch pistons for valve clearance, NHRA saw fit to make it illegal to allow your valves to do the job.

JP1738 02-20-2025 10:30 AM
Re: No Mine Shaft for 2025!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JGrossijr (Post 709642)
By that definition Indy 2024 was a mineshaft. More than half the Stock field was over a second under.
The relationship between AHFS and indexes is out of whack
Exactly, which is why I asked the clarifying question. If there are that many people with the ability to go 1.0+ under in terrible air, maybe we don't have a mineshaft rule until AHFS has a chance to catch up and get some combos in line.

GUMP 02-20-2025 10:37 AM
Re: No Mine Shaft for 2025!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JP1738 (Post 709697)
Exactly, which is why I asked the clarifying question. If there are that many people with the ability to go 1.0+ under in terrible air, maybe we don't have a mineshaft rule until AHFS has a chance to catch up and get some combos in line.
Sounds good. But, in reality, having the mineshaft rule in place allows less runs to fix your average. Without the mineshaft rule you can fix that 1.00 run on a good weekend. Ask me how I know....

Bryan Worner 02-21-2025 02:02 PM
Re: No Mine Shaft for 2025!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GUMP (Post 709698)
Sounds good. But, in reality, having the mineshaft rule in place allows less runs to fix your average. Without the mineshaft rule you can fix that 1.00 run on a good weekend. Ask me how I know....
So slow your average at ?slow? races! Mineshaft rules are for extremely fast weather conditions that don?t occur often.

GUMP 02-21-2025 02:07 PM
Re: No Mine Shaft for 2025!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryan Worner (Post 709749)
So slow your average at ?slow? races! Mineshaft rules are for extremely fast weather conditions that don?t occur often.
Like Indy?


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