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I rest my case. ;)

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If a car gets hit 3-4HP at a time every 6 months to a year, then that is about 85 years. We are all dead and buried. :rolleyes: Most of those engine combos have "favorable" ratings or they wouldnt be running them. You have to take your hat off to Stinnett at 3600 plus lbs running against 2670 lb cars. That car is bad.

Re: GT/AA Class War At Indy
 

Lynn-

The favorable rating only looks good, because enough guys are running the combo's that are fast and developing new pieces and ways to keep them fast. It has been this way since NHRA's inception. Quit trying to change the rules with the forums and change your program. Something, only you, is in charge of.

You don't see any 350/295 racers on here complaining about getting stiffed for 17 hp in the last four AHFS reviews because of GT/AA, do you? Everyone knows the rules, and if you don't want to play by the rules, you get to add weight.

Some things need to be tweaked with the AHFS. But having something that has removed "some" of the human element in factoring is better than the "I think that guy is an A__HOLE, so he gets power approach" don't you?

Take the wanted tweaks to the Div. committee. Gotta start somewhere.

Re: GT/AA Class War At Indy
 

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET---Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT----ET---Speed
1108 Gary Richard 55 Gary Stinnett
C3 ****WINNER**** 0.084 9.282 140.81 0.030 0.099 NS
GT/AA Index: 10.40 (+/-): -1.118 GT/AA Index: 10.40 (+/-): -10.301
Prior rounds:
Qualified: #26 9.277 141.06 #41 9.304 147.94

Stinnett's car makes a hard move towards the centerline after the launch and he slows. Oddly, something triggered the right lane lights at 0.099! Richard is the winner in GT/AA.



Got to love Drag race central!!!

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They changed it last year, I believe.

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Sean,

Already entered if you didnt notice. We might not be in the hunt (new combo for us in GTAA), but we are at least trying. I support this GTAA class 100%.

I am confused. Are you talking about opposing the AHFS current methods? I choose to make everyone aware of this unscientific approach and a better way, and get everyone equal access to after market parts.

Re: GT/AA Class War At Indy
 

Only time will tell !
I just said I bet Bo Kenny is not the fastest AA car.
Indy always brings out the best in us all.
Congratulations on your move to AA

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Gee, I wish that I could run GT/AA at Indy!!!

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Conway,
How about if we just watch?

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Years ago....Jim Boudreau told me he wanted to build a CORVETTE for GT/AA. At that time NHRA told him that they were NOT allowing corvettes in the GT classes. I assume the rule has changed (ex- the bohannons have run their small block corvette in GT classes recently).

I'm sure a most vettes would make a mean GT car.

Tom Sheehan

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C4 corvette (84-96), plus new LS6 could be a killer

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Looks like a good number of those SS/BM cars entered...it should be interesting to see just how fast they really are too. There's a lot of guys going to modified cars, who should be the fastest in BM, any guesses?

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Does anybody have any pics of Joey Wilkes 09 challenger.

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Aw come on :::::stomping foot:::::::: ;) :):) We know that car is superfast!

Dont know if congrats is in order, we got our work cut out for us. Feel privileged just to participate. Engine not even on the dyno yet, hopefully in 2 weeks. Thanks for the kind words.

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Irvin ... who is your guy or gal ? I have a wager in mind , and no , it doesn't involve alcohol or hookers .

Mike

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Me too Conway ;)

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the fastest gt/aa car isnt even going to be there this year.

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Who has run quicker than 9.07 in GT/AA?

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Who has the fastest GT/AA car? and if they are the quickest car why aren't they going to be at Indy ? Scared of tear down???

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Top 10 GT/AA by the stats
GT/AA … 10.40 … 9.127 … -1.273 … 63 … Sean Cour … 08 Cobalt Chevy 350 … Q … D6-2 MISSION
GT/AA … 10.40 … 9.148 … -1.252 … 1108 … Gary Richard … 07 Colbalt Chevy 400 … Q … D2-1 BRADENTON
GT/AA … 10.40 … 9.190 … -1.210 … 1273 … Bo Kenney … 08 Cobalt Chevy 346 … Q … NORWALK NATS
GT/AA … 10.40 … 9.212 … -1.188 … 4488 … Terry Pearson … 05 Cavalier Chevy 350 … Q … D2-1 BRADENTON
GT/AA … 10.40 … 9.236 … -1.164 … 2428 … Andy Fogle … 05 Cavalier Chevy 350 … Q … CAJUN SPORTS
GT/AA … 10.40 … 9.244 … -1.156 … 2282 … Robert Burgin … 07 Cobalt Chevy 350 … Q … SOUTHERN NATS
GT/AA … 10.40 … 9.267 … -1.133 … 51 … Gary Stinnett … 92 Camaro Chevy 454 … RD 2 … MIDWEST NATS
GT/AA … 10.40 … 9.274 … -1.126 … 3290 … Richard Mowat … 00 Firebird Chevy 454 … Q … D3-1 INDY
GT/AA … 10.40 … 9.317 … -1.083 … 709 … Doug Broaddus … 98 Formula Chevy 454 … Q … WINTER NATS
GT/AA … 10.40 … 9.320 … -1.080 … 3131 … Ricky Decker … 07 Cobalt Chevy 400 … RD 3 … WINTER NATS
GT/AA … 10.40 … 9.334 … -1.066 … 6846 … Byron Setters … 04 Cavalier Chevy 350 … RD 2 … CSK NATS

Re: GT/AA Class War At Indy
 

Don,

Could be $4.19 a gallon? Or grade points? Cant take a week off work?

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OIC wink , wink , wink

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Looking at Joe's stats.........Bo's 9.19 at Norwalk looks mighty fast for the conditions.


Greg

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Ditto! That is an about an 8.90's run at sea level! Maybe somebody ought to loan Red/Shaun LeBlanc a fast C-4!

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Paging Blair Patrick.................

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Jeff Lawrence up in D-1 has a damn fast 85 Mustang with the 285/324 combo with a C-4 that could more than hold it's own. I haven't seen him on the sheets this year but in the past few years he has run low teens with his car.
I don't want to hear about corrected runs, in my opinion thats crap. Put the number on the board. I am sure the day I saw Andy run that 9.07 had it been a perfect pass he would have ran in the 8's.
Since sea level corrections were mentioned; I don't understand why the NHRA adjusts the indexes for altitude tracks, allow them to set mind blowing records, and then they don't get hp? I know this horse has been beat but I don't understand why combos aren't hit. I mean there were a couple of cars this weekend that went 1.40+ under and nothing will happen to those combos yet if someone would do this at a sea level track it's instant hp. What's the difference, the indexes are adjusted to make things the same so all other rules should apply. This is something I think should change but I know it never will.

Does anyone know why altitude tracks are exempt but can claim hero runs for records?

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A Update in Entries of GT/AA

A Battle at Indy in GT/AA is going to be interesting:-------- I will update list as Racers enter Indy

NHRA----------------------- HP ------------------------------------------- Weight

1.Gary Stinett 454 Chevy> 92 Camaro---430hp----------3610 lbs

2.Gary Richard 400 Chevy> 07 Cobalt---320hp------------2730 lbs

3. Robert Burgin 350 Chevy > 07 Cobalt---327hp----------2785 lbs

4.Stacy McCarty 428 Pontiac> 05 Grand Am--320--------2730 lbs (McCarty Engine) MPR Race cars

5.Joey Wilkes 426 ?? > 09 Challenger---????????????????????????????

6.Terry Pearson 350 Chevy> 05 Cavalier---327hp------2785 lbs

7.Sean Cour 350 Chevy> 08 Cobalt----327hp----------2785 lbs ( gulius engine)

8.Frank Grossi 454 Chevy> 05 Sunfire---320hp---------2730 lbs Phil Mandella Built car (Hetler Engine)

9.Tibor Kadar 400 Chevy> 08 Pontiac---320hp----------2730 lbs( Cameron Kallas New Car) Tibor "ICE" Kadar is the driver for Cameron (Hetler Engine)

10.Bo Kenney 346 LS1 Corp> 08 Colbalt---320hp----------2730 lbs (B & B Built car) (patterson engine) or the other combo is rated 305hp at a weight of 2670

11.Colin Wigle 429 Ford> 05 Mustang-------371hp---------3135 lbs

12.Michael Beachy 400 Chevy> 05 Cavalier---------320hp--------2730 lbs beachy Engine

13.Andy Fogle 350 Chevy > 05 Cavalier---------327hp--------2785Lbs

14.James Holland 400 Chevy> 05 Cavalier----------320HP------2730 Lbs

15.Roger Keeling 400Chevy> 08 Colbalt-------------320hp------2730 Lbs


Who will be the quickest is a good question???

:) :D :cool:

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Terry's running two cars?

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Because the altitude adjustment formula that NHRA uses is bad. Just ask Lou Ficco, he got hit .10 permanent for the win at Denver with a .77 under run. No comp car is that fast in the summer. I believe all runs should take the HP hit but NHRA needs to set the altitude at say 1800 feet not sea level.JMO

Greg

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Any way you want to look at it, 9.19 run at well over 3000 feet corrected is a hell-uv-a-run! If anyone wants to try and knock off Andy Fogle, they are gonna have their work cut out for them. ;) Damn is this gonna be cool!

The moderately slow air conditions (2500 feet in the AM to around 3500 feet in the PM) allow the fast cars to hang it out making it way cooler.

"We don't need no stinking corrections"

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Indy Super Stock is a full 180 car field as of 7/16/08.

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Great 15 car field for GTAA. I also cut and pasted the possible "cross overs" with a little weight out. If not GTBA looks way too cool also. I guess too maybe a SS/EA - SS/FA car?

GT/AA Gary Stinnett Emporia KS '92 Camaro Chev 454
GT/AA Michael Beachy Kokomo IN '05 Cav Chev 400
GT/AA Gary Richard Bay Shore NY '07 Colbalt Chev 400
GT/AA Bo Kenney Manassas VA '08 Cobalt Pont 346
GT/AA James Holland Forest City NC '05 Cavalier Chev 400
GT/AA Robert Burgin Cuthbert GA '07 Cobalt Chev 350
GT/AA Andy Fogle Norway SC '05 Cavalier Chev 350
GT/AA Colin Wigle Amherstburg ON '05 Mustang Ford 429
GT/AA Stacy Mc Carty Carmel IN '05 Grand AM Pont 428
GT/AA Joey Wilkes Zanesville OH '09 Challenger Chry 426
GT/AA Roger Keeling Scott Depot WV '08 Cobalt Chev 400
GT/AA Terry Pearson Spanish Fort AL '05 Cavalier Chev 350
GT/AA Sean Cour Brush Prair WA '08 Colbalt Chev 350 JIM
GT/AA Frank Grossi Upland CA '05 Sunfire GM 454
GT/AA Tibor Kadar Peoria AZ '08 Pontiac Chev 400


GT/BA Jerry Emmons-Pasadena TX05 Chevrolet Chev 350
GT/BA Irvin Johns Charlestown IN '08 Cobalt Chev 350
GT/BA Tom Boucher Byfield MA '97 Pontiac Chev 454
GT/BA Bill Marshall Coram NY '87 Camaro Chev 454
GT/BA Frank Maiolo White Plains NY '04 2000 Chev 350
GT/BA Wally Clark Niagara Falls ON '03 Pontiac Chev 350
GT/BA Jerry Silveus Van Buren OH '05 Cavalier Chev 350
GT/BA Paul Hellenberg Dry Ridge KY '04 Cavalier Chev 350
GT/BA Bill Foder Canton MI '95 Beretta Pont 400

Class War At Indy
 

I was bored tonight and started running some numbers, i did everybody's numbers that has entered into indy in SS, and the classes posted they entered, grant you some will change classes when they get there. but by my numbers you better have -0.870 in your pocket or better. Just my thoughts on this. Look me up at Indy and I'll know even better as I'm going to keep this sheet i made updated until then. Right now 128 in my info is -0.807 BUT!!!!!
side note there is 36 drivers entered that has no runs recorded this year for the class they are entered into, so.............

Good Luck to everybody!

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About 10 years ago, before Mopar became involved with the hemi cars, the guys of SS/AA (now SS/AH) put together their own pot for class winner. Maybe the guys of GT/AA should do the same? Winner take all. I bet no one will be getting on the brakes!! Good luck to all. This will be a good class to watch this year.

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How do we pull up the entrants lynn?

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Dick, if you're a member, and set up to enter events, you can pull up the entry statistics. I don't think you can if you're not a member and not set up to enter events.

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Go here Dick:




http://www.nhraeventreg.com/ListEventStatus.asp

Just select the event you want to see entries for.

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i'll be betting on bo.

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How about this one. Why dont you guys all put up 1500 or 2000 per car and the fastest car on the Qualifying sheet gets the cash. This would make it interesting. What do you think??????????

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Guys, I'll be there so if you need someone to "Hold" the cash, I'll do it, lol.
Hey also, if you want to do a ladder, just yell at me, we can do one and not be in NHRA's way one bit.