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Alan Roehrich 03-14-2009 02:48 PM

Re: My First Look at the CJ's
 
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Originally Posted by cwigle (Post 109991)
Alan,

I do not no of any TV commercials of the sort, There was some nice articles printed within the racing world though. I would think that at the events this year it would be played up, that is were the largest fan base is. It’s the little things that make a difference Last year at Indy I received a phone call from Brian Wolf congratulating me on my efforts for class; I did not win but gave it my best effort. That sort of thing goes a long way for me.

Colin


Colin,
You've done very well, your car is impressive. That Brian Wolf called you shows that he is one of the good guys. And that is definitely very cool. Congratulations, and good luck.

I saw a few flashes about Calvert's win, but nothing of substance, which begs the question, "where's the beef?" Where's the "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" marketing?

Alan Roehrich 03-14-2009 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP (Post 109988)
I wonder how much the "corporate" guys actually had to do with these cars? I bet it took a lot to get them past the bean counters. I really doubt that the bean counters and shareholders were the driving force behind a project that is this small.

The corporate guys have nothing to do with getting something like this started. They have everything to do with how much is spent, and a lot to do with where it is spent. Corporate guys allow something like this to happen, they don't make it happen. But then they start looking for their return on their money spent. When 2-3 big corporations start getting involved in something way smaller than they are, they bring a whole lot of leverage and power. You have to wonder what they want, and what they're willing to do to get it.

GUMP 03-14-2009 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 109994)
The corporate guys have nothing to do with getting something like this started. They have everything to do with how much is spent, and a lot to do with where it is spent. Corporate guys allow something like this to happen, they don't make it happen. But then they start looking for their return on their money spent. When 2-3 big corporations start getting involved in something way smaller than they are, they bring a whole lot of leverage and power. You have to wonder what they want, and what they're willing to do to get it.

Oh, kind of like the the COPO Camaros in 1969?

Alan Roehrich 03-14-2009 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP (Post 109995)
Oh, kind of like the the COPO Camaros in 1969?


Keep reaching. One day, you might get there.

And besides, anything that MIGHT have happened in the past, depending on your perspective, is an excuse to repeat that same error, again, and again, and again. Like a bunch of three year olds "he did it too! he did it first!".

GUMP 03-14-2009 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 109996)
Keep reaching. One day, you might get there.

And besides, anything that MIGHT have happened in the past, depending on your perspective, is an excuse to repeat that same error, again, and again, and again. Like a bunch of three year olds "he did it too! he did it first!".

I wouldn't go so far as to say that the COPO Camaro was an error. I think that they are pretty cool! (LOL).

My point is that those cars were cutting edge for 1969 and were aimed directly at Stock. I applaud the NHRA for having the AA classes, so that some more of the "cutting edge" sixties combinations can compete. I am also really excited about the fact that more than one manufacturer is looking towards our form of racing at the same time. When was the last time that they were serious about being the "Top Dog" in Stock?

BlueOval Ralph 03-14-2009 05:59 PM

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ok ok

69Cobra 03-14-2009 06:00 PM

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Well let me say this about the new vs. old cars in Stock. I've been looking very hard at putting our 69 Fairlane Cobra back together to compete in Stock. All I need to do to make our car legal is build a legal engine. No big deal right? Now the question is what do I need to do to be competitive in Stock with a 40 year old set up that has been run through the mill by NHRA over the years. So my dilema is do I spend $15,000 or so on a competitive engine to put in a 40 year old car with 117" wb. Or do I build a new CJ clone and be competitive right out of the gate? To me this car has put a fire under me to make a move into Stock knowing I've got a strut front end a 3 link which is basically a 4 link style rear end with coil over springs. Then I have the option of a 5 speed over a 4 speed. To me its a no brainer just money. I would really like to know more on how to get the CJ parts from Ford to build a clone if anybody knows anything (Kenny) drop me a PM.

Thanks,

Kris Rachford

GUMP 03-14-2009 06:37 PM

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Some info here...

http://www.fordracingparts.com/mustang/herocard10.asp

Ken Miele 03-14-2009 07:03 PM

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Larry, I'm glad I could help. We all need to smile once in a while. I have to head home. I think the next race we might be at together will be Norwalk, if not that, you know I will be at Indy.

I don't drink but would love to BS about what we do up north.

Talk to you soon, keep us posted on what happens at Belle Rose, we are all counting on you and Patsy.

69Cobra 03-14-2009 08:29 PM

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These cars can run in S/S right? If so what class would they be in?

Wayne Kerr 03-14-2009 08:53 PM

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Brian Wolfe.

See you at the races,
Wayne Kerr

Steve Calabro 03-15-2009 11:47 AM

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NASCAR, Ford keep on trucking
Sunday, March 15, 2009
BY MIKE HARRIS
NorthJersey.com
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Brian Wolfe has learned to live with less and, hopefully, make it work.

The director of Ford's North American motorsports program since the middle of 2008 came from the company's power train unit, where he says budget and personnel cuts were a way of life long before the economy began crashing down around everyone's heads.

"There's no easy jobs at the OEMs [original equipment manufacturers]," Wolfe told The Associated Press. "I've been at Ford for 27 years now in a variety of leadership positions and you learn to focus on what's really critical to be successful.

"And being successful means I have to have a winning platform and championship-capable teams and I have to be improving the favorable opinion of Ford to drive showroom traffic and sell some vehicles," he added. "That's what is important to us."

Like his competitors at General Motors, Chrysler and Toyota, all of whom compete against Ford in NASCAR's Sprint Cup Series, Wolfe has had to be creative this year.

The Ford Racing budgets were cut by more than 30 percent across the board and Wolfe's staff was reduced before the season by 10 percent.

That has forced Wolfe and Ford to make some hard choices.

"In NASCAR, it made us focus on Cup and Cup exclusively," Wolfe said. "In the truck series and the Nationwide series, we backed away from a lot of our, if not all of our financial backing, although we're still offering technical assistance to insure the cars perform as well as they can on the track, and a contingency program where we reward some people for that."

Unlike GM and Chrysler, its traditional competitors from Detroit, Ford has not had to ask the government for financial help. Wolfe credits Ford CEO Alan Mulally for keeping the company and the motorsports program viable by coming up with a conservative approach over the past several years to future sales and the amount of money to be spent on marketing, which includes motorsports.

When the bottom fell out last year, Ford was prepared.

"It wasn't like it was unforeseen and we had to tear up our plan and start over," Wolfe said.

"That's why we were putting our focus in NASCAR on the Cup Series and [why] we're staying in the NHRA, primarily focused on the Funny Cars and the sportsman racers who work with us so well and do so much for us."

NASCAR is Ford Racing's biggest stage.

"I couldn't be happier with the performance of our teams this year," Wolfe said.

"We don't have as many teams [as other manufacturers], but I've learned long ago it's the quality of the teams you have and the qualify of the guys you've got working for you that make a big difference.

"Right before I came to the motorsports job, I had between 800 and 900 people working for me in power train. Sometimes, you're a lot better off with a smaller, highly talented crew than an average group. I think I've got the best concentration of talent within Cup."

Wolfe said a key for Ford's NASCAR Cup program is that all three of its teams — Roush Fenway Racing, Yates Racing and part-time competitor Wood Brothers Racing — use engines built by the Roush-Yates alliance.

"Instead of each team, like with some of the other OEMs that have three or four teams developing a Chevy engine or Dodge or whatever, we've got all that engine development focused in one shop," Wolfe explained.

"So we don't have two different people learning the same thing independently. That basically costs teams twice as much money to do that.

"So that focus of all that effort working with Doug Yates and Roush Yates engines has given us, I think, a significant advantage. I can assure you I'm not lacking for power and I'm not lacking for fuel economy on the engine side."

Heading into the first idle weekend of the season, things look pretty good for Ford on track. Roush Fenway's Carl Edwards, Matt Kenseth and Greg Biffle are in the top 10 in points.

And, while there is the possibility that at least one of Ford's biggest competitors could face bankruptcy or even go out of business this year, Wolfe isn't wishing anyone ill.

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Brian Wolfe has learned to live with less and, hopefully, make it work.


ASSOCIATED PRESS
NASCAR money leader Matt Kenseth has allowed Ford's motorsports division to present a winning platform this year. The director of Ford's North American motorsports program since the middle of 2008 came from the company's power train unit, where he says budget and personnel cuts were a way of life long before the economy began crashing down around everyone's heads.

"There's no easy jobs at the OEMs [original equipment manufacturers]," Wolfe told The Associated Press. "I've been at Ford for 27 years now in a variety of leadership positions and you learn to focus on what's really critical to be successful.

"And being successful means I have to have a winning platform and championship-capable teams and I have to be improving the favorable opinion of Ford to drive showroom traffic and sell some vehicles," he added. "That's what is important to us."

Like his competitors at General Motors, Chrysler and Toyota, all of whom compete against Ford in NASCAR's Sprint Cup Series, Wolfe has had to be creative this year.

The Ford Racing budgets were cut by more than 30 percent across the board and Wolfe's staff was reduced before the season by 10 percent.

That has forced Wolfe and Ford to make some hard choices.

"In NASCAR, it made us focus on Cup and Cup exclusively," Wolfe said. "In the truck series and the Nationwide series, we backed away from a lot of our, if not all of our financial backing, although we're still offering technical assistance to insure the cars perform as well as they can on the track, and a contingency program where we reward some people for that."

Unlike GM and Chrysler, its traditional competitors from Detroit, Ford has not had to ask the government for financial help. Wolfe credits Ford CEO Alan Mulally for keeping the company and the motorsports program viable by coming up with a conservative approach over the past several years to future sales and the amount of money to be spent on marketing, which includes motorsports.

When the bottom fell out last year, Ford was prepared.

"It wasn't like it was unforeseen and we had to tear up our plan and start over," Wolfe said.

"That's why we were putting our focus in NASCAR on the Cup Series and [why] we're staying in the NHRA, primarily focused on the Funny Cars and the sportsman racers who work with us so well and do so much for us."

NASCAR is Ford Racing's biggest stage.

"I couldn't be happier with the performance of our teams this year," Wolfe said.

"We don't have as many teams [as other manufacturers], but I've learned long ago it's the quality of the teams you have and the qualify of the guys you've got working for you that make a big difference.

"Right before I came to the motorsports job, I had between 800 and 900 people working for me in power train. Sometimes, you're a lot better off with a smaller, highly talented crew than an average group. I think I've got the best concentration of talent within Cup."

Wolfe said a key for Ford's NASCAR Cup program is that all three of its teams — Roush Fenway Racing, Yates Racing and part-time competitor Wood Brothers Racing — use engines built by the Roush-Yates alliance.

"Instead of each team, like with some of the other OEMs that have three or four teams developing a Chevy engine or Dodge or whatever, we've got all that engine development focused in one shop," Wolfe explained.

"So we don't have two different people learning the same thing independently. That basically costs teams twice as much money to do that.

"So that focus of all that effort working with Doug Yates and Roush Yates engines has given us, I think, a significant advantage. I can assure you I'm not lacking for power and I'm not lacking for fuel economy on the engine side."

69Cobra 03-15-2009 12:22 PM

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Here's a nice start on a S/S CJ.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...3AIT&viewitem=

Jeff Lee 03-15-2009 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 69Cobra (Post 110089)

Of course all of the aluminum tinwork will need to be replaced. But it does look like a bargain in the works!

qwiked 03-16-2009 01:52 PM

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"That's why we were putting our focus in NASCAR on the Cup Series and [why] we're staying in the NHRA, primarily focused on the Funny Cars and the sportsman racers who work with us so well and do so much for us."


Brian Wolfe -- Ford's motorsports director makes good sense with the exception of Funny Car support--How John Force racing has any impact on sales is beyond me--


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