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If your racing gets to the point where you feel you are being taken advantage of by the sanctioning body or to the point where you feel you can no longer afford to race, then it's pretty simple, you need to pull the plug on your racing operation.
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I know for a fact that the top management at NHRA has a genuine concern for all racers who race at NHRA tracks and will do their best to make sure we have a place to race for a long time . as in many business decisions, business make, not all of them can please all of their customers but NHRA still has the concern for their customer , from the very top to the very bottom of NHRA employees.
I was racing at the national event at vegas and it was a very well ran race and i saw all of the top management working hard in bad concitions so we could race, not many top management would do this but NHRA people did. One thing I have learned is not to worry about situations that i can't control ever it is useless worry |
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Ed O'Brien. Looks like Ken's post was aimed at Ed Fernandez not you !
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Ed O'Brien,
Today it was gray, sometime its blue. I like the blue best, how about you? Rush, now there's a rock band with attitude. I didn't now you knew so much about me. Ban you, I would not do that unless you start with your obscene language agian. Its not for profit, oh gosh did I say it was, forgive me. If you need help with your new site, please feel free to contact me, I would be more the glad to help. |
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do not make excessive salaries.From the info posted they are payed way too much according to the guidelines. Wanna call it a class war?Call it what you want.These guys are slowly killing the goose that lays the golden eggs. Please Dave spell my name right,you left out the second N. Ed From Wikipedia: A primary difference between a nonprofit and a for-profit corporation is that a nonprofit does not issue stock or pay dividends, (for example, The Code of the Commonwealth of Virginia includes the Non-Stock Corporation Act that is used to incorporate nonprofit entities) and may not enrich its directors. However, like for-profit corporations, nonprofits may still have employees and can compensate their directors within reasonable bound. Ed, I'm a Bosox fan. Don,any way of substanciating what you say about the suits making sacrifices?I'm sure all us malcontents would like to see it in black and white,not gray like the rule book. Kenny,Englishtown is probably the only time you'll see me this year. |
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Ed F. You should try your refresh button. I corrected the spelling 6 minutes before you posted !
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Ed, who decides what is excessive. Ed, you and me are friends and this is not personal. I just think that some members do not know all the facts. If you are right, I will be the first to say I was wrong. But I think we need less anger and nastiness and more respect.
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I made the mistake of taking litteraly the comments about everything being doubled. They aren't. Should have taken time to read it all. I'm old and slow, and I'm from Oklahoma. Please forgive me. After reading it, I can't see a problem absorbing the difference. I'll re-up when the time comes and keep running both associations as long as I can keep doing it. I don't really have a preference between the two. I like them both. It appears Div 4 lost a couple of very good tech men. I really hate that.
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After reading this thread,I'm wondering if the true non profit status of NHRA , should be questioned ? It must have a board of directors or trustees and who or how are they elected. The employees of NHRA must have to answer to them. If NHRA was set up as a board only non profit , then these people call the shots. Shoudn't we know how this works ,if we all are members of this non profit. I doubt if this was set up so that the members have a say, which would have been nice since this is suppose to be for the racers! I just think we should know more about how this is run before we can understand what is happening. It is a disgrace that we pay to be members,to have comp#,to cert. our cars and pay to race and have absolutely NO say in what this NON-PROFIT(which was formed for our benefit) does. thanks Bob
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salary reductions? Kenny,no anger I still love you.What's your opinion of the fact that salaries should be reasonable.Do you think that with all the enhancements sportsman racer have endured in the last few years that their salaries are justified? Ed |
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I do not have the right to tell anyone what they can make. I would think whatever the NHRA board feels is fair. I'm not upset that Tom Comptom makes good money. I wish I had what it takes to command that kind of coin. I'm sorry Ed, telling me or anyone how much money you can make is just not right. NHRA and Tom Compton might not be doing the right thing according to you an other members, but I will give them the benefit of the doubt until I know all the facts. I feel NHRA is doing the best they can given the circumstance we are in, and I will continue to support them. If that makes members angry with me, I am sorry, but thats how I feel. |
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I just pointed out to you what some of the parameters are in the structure of a Non Profit are.The IRS can review their salaries and yank the Non Profit status if they find them excessive.Then we are in real trouble.If they have to pay taxes I wouldn't want to guess what fees and entries would go up to. Ed |
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Ed, sent you a jar of quarters yesterday, kept one for myself...should last us through the season. Jim R |
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I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory. Like other companies in these times, the NHRA has to tighten their belts and look for ways to bring in more money. They are not going to charge the pro's for their fair share so the money has to come from else where and that's the Sportsman. This is not a black and white situation, no one should be criticized if they want to continue to race the NHRA and no one should be criticized for wanting to boycott or move to another association. It's a free country, freedom of choice is up to the individual. My opinion, Jim R. |
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I'm surprised someone hasn't already posed this question. Is the IHRA a 'for profit' operation? Or are they a NFP? Seems like I remember their status as being different from the NHRA. I haven't been a member of 'N' for several years. And, at one time you could be a member without having to subscribe to the " National Advertiser". It was clearly stated in the 'masthead'( I think that's what it's called). About $20.00 instead of the normal $59.95 at that time.
You fellers(&felines) that live where you have a choice of sanctions, are very fortunate in my opinion. I envy you. Nearest 'I' track to me would be the new convert in Utah. About 650-700 miles. I am considering joining the IHRA, just to help support them. Supposed to be in the mid 70's this weekend. Maybe I'll take the Malibu out of mothballs and let 'er stretch it's legs for a couple furlongs. Then maybe I might have a better perspective on what this whole fuss is about. |
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I'm pretty sure IHRA is not a Non Profit organization.
I'm glad all of us recognize the rights of others to speak their mind. It's important. One point on the subject of who owns what in drag racing. The sanctioning bodies do not own the sport of drag racing. I should add that I have never read/heard anyone say IHRA owns the game. A couple of brief tests to help determine who owns what. First, would the racers still be heading out to the tracks this weekend if nhra disappeared from the planet today? Answer: Yes. Second test, let's say all the racers decided not to rejoin nhra. Would the racers continue to race and nhra be out of business? Answer: Yes. nhra depends on us and our goodwill to keep them in business. In other words nhra's existence depends on us and not vice versa. They are here to serve our needs and not the other way around! Somehow we have allowed them to reverse the relationship between the racers and the organization that is here to serve us. |
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[QUOTE=Ed Fernandez;115232]My truck,trailer and car total about $25K.Maybe I should get into the TARP program?
Kenny you or Jack got any loose change laying around so I can race this year? Ed -- I'd be glad to help out as I 'm sure Kenny would also but just like the Government we'd ask a few questions first .First -- have you tried to succeed this year ? Why have you failed if so ? If we send you money -- how will you spend it ? Hopefully not with that NHRA organization you hate so very much .And just like the Government TARP program we would ask -- what have you done to cut back ? There are no more freebies without questions ............... On another note -- I can't believe you think the suits are sitting around some boardroom in Glendora planning their own and NHRA's demise -- that's pretty far out even for you .Also I'm under the impression that the salary cuts recently at NHRA were for everyone including those at the top and although I can't confirm it ( yes , they won't take my calls also ) -- its very believeable .Do you personally have other knowledge ? If so please share ............ |
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It must be the business trends.................look at the Credit card companys........the recived bailout monies (taxpayers money) and now their doubleing the intrest rates
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This year no money no racing.It isn't the end of the world.I can go shooting on the cheap and work on my 1965 American station wagon,that will keep me busy. Oh and I'll be at Englishtown to support the Dark association. Thanks Jim R for the quarters,it's a start. |
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Don, Didn't you already get those Edelbrock heads passed by NHRA. You don't have to keep kissing butt. Just Funning wit u
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What IF??? We find total value of NHRA make an offer buy them out make it a for profit corporation and all your fees became shares of stock and run it like your elected officers knew what they were doing. Salaries would be set any profits were return to stockholders....DD
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Since his first post I though Don was trying to avoid a teardown. LOL
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There are a select few in the motorsports world who could possibly take on such a venture, but the real question would be is it more benificial to buy out NHRA or start a new association and starve them out? |
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By the way I have had my share of situations with NHRA for sure and I get them resolved personally and privately with NHRA officials.
I don't need to suck up to anyone and my posts are not that of course as most know I am very opinionated ,but I feel that a person has to look at both sides of the story before a comment is made period . Anyone can have a one-sided discussion on the internet which is easy. Plus I always try to stay away from any personal attacks. I have found when a post is made to attack a person personally the person doing the attacking usually has nothing to contribute of value that means anything so they just attack personally By the way if something would happen to NHRA where would most racers race at with their class car? What would your race car be worth if there were no place to race a class car?. FYI I have been torn down 7 times,don't go quick enough with my old pontiac ,used up parts LOL |
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Now Don I was only funning with you. Not having NHRA around class cars would problably go to events that Alex did in Byron, Pat Joffrion events in LA.When I went to these 2 events it was the most fun and entertaining to watch then any Div and Nat event. Even the lonely Div race I won couldn't keep up with these 2 events. After not running for 3 years at any Div and Nat I must admit I don't miss it. In the last 2 weeks I have seriously considered selling the Super Stock Monte and motor. It would be a -.65 under car and to keep up with others in class.(in which I have had heads up rounds 60% of the time 4 and 5 years ago) I feel the money needed to build a -1.00 motor is not worth all the hassle to go to any Div and Nat. for peanuts.
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ed I understand .
Wow it seems that some want to change the way NHRA does business . that is a huge undertaking to try and change one of the Most successfully ran organizations ever in the Drag racing world. I am just wondering if those who want to either change or start another organization really know what it would take to do this? Time wise, Money wise , tracks wise, rules wise, insurance wise, racing dates , liability wise , logistics wise, is a very huge endeavor which in this time would be almost totally impossible to do just financially in my opinion of course |
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NHRA should be willing to sell the sportsman racing real cheap if we aren't paying our way. Any well run business would dump the losers,right? Well why don't one of you high rollers with the motorhome stacker setups make Compton an offer? Sounds like he may be willing to get rid of the part of the business thats losing money. Or maybe he's just spreading some BS. I would sure like to see the numbers that show the sportsman losing money.
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Ed said" The people in charge either can't see past their own wallets or are just to far out of touch with the world we live in to do anything right and they need to leave and let someone that cares take over "
Don says I disagree with your assestment Ed NHRA is on top of the whole situation and is being very active to make sure we have a place to race for many years . In My opinion |
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Jeff;
In my opinion to even start a organization compared to NHRA would most likely cost millions to just start up and keep running and right now I feel no one wants to tackle that amount of startup costs , will may be one person could but so far has not step up to the plate , at least so far. |
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Here is something else to consider.....Look at page 8 in the current issue of "dragster" and look at the column on the right side.....it gives you the entire list of all officers and directors....does each dept. need a "vice- president"????.....The main thing that everyone needs to realize is that Compton , at this point, is the "FACE" of the Board of Directors......every company, corporation, non profit has one.....Part of their "job" is to get the pat on the back when things are good and also to take the heat when things are bad....they also become the sacrificial lambs when it is time to make a change, but most times even though the Pres. gets the ax the Board remains the same....in this case Compton could lose his job, but still remain on the Board, like that one???....I was with an outfit that the owner was the vice president and he would hire a "face" as president....he was more than capable of doing it himself, but he could fire a president when things were bad and the employees were upset with things......
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You know I understand you all are upset about this increase....but, if you go back and look at the organization's finances you will see that they have dramatically improved since Compton took charge. And most executives get judged in that regard.
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I've heard they may shut down the NHRA Museum at Pomona Fairplex, that would be a mistake.
Things were much better when Wally was around and they should never forget where they came from. Wally understood the racers better than the current crop. I got to chat with him a few times in his final years at the Hot Rod Reunion and sure seemed to be genuine in his efforts to balance the needs of the big show "prima donnas" and the little guys and still pay the bills. I wonder how many on the current board are even interested in drag racing? |
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Compton may receive a favorable rating for boosting the cartel's bottom line but he intentionally marginalized the Sportsman racers. He represents a net loss for the Sportsman racers.
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You know I understand you all are upset about this increase....but, if you go back and look at the organization's finances you will see that they have dramatically improved since Compton took charge. And most executives get judged in that regard. Julie i agree with your point |
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A non profit should not be judged by how much money it makes or in this case, pays out to board members and top executives, but how it serves the people who are supposed to be beneficiaries of the organization. just imagine the Red Cross judged on how much money it made instead of how many people it helped. For years NHRA has taken money out of the organization in the form of huge salaries for board members and top management and now that times are tough instead of using funds that should have been left in the organization they are doubling fees on racers. This should be an organization run by racers and focused on making our experiences more fun and safe.
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