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Fast Johnny,

I can make a copy of the sheets and drop it in the mail to you. NC. I'll pay for the stamp. Pat Shaffer had the sheets on Saturday night.

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I agree David, I couldn't make it this weekend

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[QUOTE=Larry Hill;126477]Jack their is still time to enter Norwalk.

Larry -- After two weeks of rain I've had enough for awhile ............ besides if I came to Norwalk I'd just get a job on the ' paving crew ' ---- I understand there will be openings .Thanks anyway .........besides , I can't run AA/SA with our Trans Am........

Angie -- I'd be very surprised if they opened up entries ... but in this economy you never know .

Todd-- It was good on the part of NHRA officials not to keep us all day before calling it -- most got to enjoy Fathers Day with family instead of sitting in the rain .

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I finally rolled out of there at about 11:30 after watching the parade of rigs stroll on past. I live about 40 minutes from Atco as the back roads go and never saw nor felt any rain the rest of the day and well into the evening. We even had some spatters of sunshine or at least that's what I think that bright yellow orb in the sky was.

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They did say all classes and ladders are set..
Sorry folks but why should racers be allowed in after the fact.
You guys where smart enough to watch the weather.
But its not fair to us racers that showed up.
You guys should have taken a chance.

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My thoughts exactly James.

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I know I'm counting the qualifying runs already made from this past weekend in my stats.

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Hi Joe,

can you post a list of every AA/SA & AA/S car since the beginning of 2008? I'm wondering how many cars would actually show up for a shootout if we had one.

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That sounds good.Then maybe us smart guys can show up on Thursday too and throw in $25 each and have a Smart Guy Stock Eliminator race as a fill in.That will keep everybody busy.

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ok, here you go, i have not done any of the stats from this past weekend so these numbers was up to date from last week.

2008
AA/S
AA/S 428 Kevin Helms Mineola TX 69 Camaro
AA/S 1441 Richard Adkins Willingboro NJ 67 Shelby
AA/S 1489 Steve Ficacci Sr E. Hanover NJ 68 Camaro
AA/S 3602 Jason McCormack Oxford MI 67 Belvedere
AA/S 5067 Jack Peterson Tea SD 69 Camaro
AA/S 5386 Frank Allen Papillion NE 69 Camaro
AA/S 5517 Kevin Borgstrom North Saint Paul MN 69 Chevelle
AA/S 7410 Robert Pond Riverside CA 67 Fairlane

AA/SA
AA/SA 2 Peter Biondo Mt Laurel NJ 69 Camaro
AA/SA 4 Brad Plourd Maple Valley WA 69 Camaro
AA/SA 5 Jerry Emmons Pasadena TX 69 Camaro
AA/SA 7 Dan Fletcher Churchville NY 69 Camaro
AA/SA 77 Ryan McClanaham Alta Loma CA 02 Firebird
AA/SA 489 Sam Pourciau Walker LA 00 Camaro
AA/SA 575 Les Norton South Jordan UT 65 Belvedere
AA/SA 624 Don Little Westley CA 70 Barracuda
AA/SA 633 Hal Sorensen Vancouver WA 69 Camaro
AA/SA 726 Dave Gertschen Glendale AZ 01 Firebird
AA/SA 776 Doug Lambeck Irvine CA 69 Camaro
AA/SA 795 Brian McClanahan Alta Loma CA 02 Firebird
AA/SA 1041 Steve Welker Tower City PA 69 Camaro
AA/SA 1044 John Shaul Fultonham NY 64 Fury
AA/SA 1198 Donald Sabin Maspeth NY 69 Camaro
AA/SA 1199 Steve Calabro N. Arlington NJ 69 Corvette
AA/SA 1387 Chris Howes Rothesay NB CAN 70 Challenger
AA/SA 1460 Phillip Panaritis Montreal QU 70 Challenger
AA/SA 1656 Kenny Miele Egg Harbor Twp NJ 67 Shelby
AA/SA 1962 Billy Leber Jr. Tonawanda NY 69 Camaro
AA/SA 1990 David Barton Robesonia PA 65 Coronet
AA/SA 2013 John Rhodes Daphne AL 69 Corvette
AA/SA 2037 Wickie Knight Lafayette IN 70 Barracuda
AA/SA 2113 Chad Rhodes Daphne AL 69 Corvette
AA/SA 2206 Larry Langston Memphis TN 69 Corvette
AA/SA 2207 Craig Couris Atlanta GA 69 Corvette
AA/SA 2426 Johnny Fisher Raleigh NC 71 Challenger
AA/SA 2561 Gene Jordan Reidsville NC 69 Camaro
AA/SA 2853 Kevin Cradduck Murfreesboro TN 69 Camaro
AA/SA 3125 Joey Wilkes Zanesville OH 99 Firebird
AA/SA 3126 Neal Noffsinger Owensboro KY 69 Camaro
AA/SA 3128 Shane Smith Central City KY 69 Camaro
AA/SA 4074 Jimmie Hutto Pearland TX 69 Camaro
AA/SA 4166 Larry Stewart Jr Clinton MS 02 Firebird
AA/SA 4888 Luke Bogacki Woodville AL 68 Nova
AA/SA 4909 Dempsey Pendarvis Gonzales La 01 Firebird
AA/SA 4924 Emmett Mikolajczyk San Antonio TX 69 Corvette
AA/SA 5300 Al Corda Elk Mound WI 02 Firebird
AA/SA 5426 Gene Mosbek Elk River MN 64 Savoy
AA/SA 5717 Bobby DeArmond Gallup NM 69 Camaro
AA/SA 5787 Mike Koppien Sioux Falls SD 69 Camaro
AA/SA 6038 James Quan Sherwood Park AB 68 Mustang
AA/SA 6413 Jon Percy Pocatello ID 64 Savoy
AA/SA 6636 Mick Alley Eagle ID 69 Camaro
AA/SA 7185 Dave Bridgewater Devore CA 99 Firebird
AA/SA 7410 Robert Pond Riverside CA 67 Fairlane
AA/SA 7948 Randy Painter Nephi UT 64 Savoy
AA/SA 213A Anthony Bertozzi Ashland VA 69 Camaro

2009
AA/S
AA/S 428 Kevin Helms Mineola TX 69 Camaro
AA/S 1441 Richard Adkins Willingboro NJ 67 Shelby
AA/S 1990 David Barton Robesonia PA 65 Coronet
AA/S 3611 Jimmy Ronzello Rockwood MI 08 Mustang
AA/S 5517 Kevin Borgstrom North Saint Paul MN 69 Chevelle
AA/S 6730 Jim Waldo Richland WA 08 Mustang
AA/S 7410 Robert Pond Riverside CA 67 Fairlane

AA/SA
AA/SA 6 Brenda Grubbs Plant City FL 69 Camaro
AA/SA 112 Erich Bollman Newark DE 08 Mustang
AA/SA 593 Jimmy Holzman Wichita KS 08 Mustang
AA/SA 595 Chad Holzman Wichita KS 08 Mustang
AA/SA 726 Dave Gertschen Glendale AZ 01 Firebird
AA/SA 728 Steve Swenson Castaic CA 01 Pontiac
AA/SA 776 Doug Lambeck Irvine CA 69 Camaro
AA/SA 795 Brian McClanahan Alta Loma CA 02 Firebird
AA/SA 1044 John Shaul Fultonham NY 64 Fury
AA/SA 1117 J Wayne Totaro Essex MD 02 Firebird
AA/SA 1136 Peter Biondo Mt Laurel NJ 69 Camaro
AA/SA 1199 Steve Calabro N. Arlington NJ 69 Camaro
AA/SA 1387 Chris Howes Rothesay NB CAN 70 Challenger
AA/SA 1656 Kenny Miele Egg Harbor Twp NJ 67 Shelby
AA/SA 1781 Dan Fletcher Churchville NY 69 Camaro
AA/SA 1789 Thomas Fletcher Churchville NY 69 Camaro
AA/SA 1962 Billy Leber Jr. Tonawanda NY 69 Camaro
AA/SA 1990 David Barton Robesonia PA 65 Coronet
AA/SA 2037 Wickie Knight Lafayette IN 70 Barracuda
AA/SA 2156 Hugh Meeks III Montgomery AL 67 Camaro
AA/SA 2207 Craig Couris Atlanta GA 69 Corvette
AA/SA 2414 Gary Ranno Loxahatchee FL 69 Camaro
AA/SA 2446 Robbie Shaw Douglasville GA 01 Firebird
AA/SA 2561 Gene Jordan Reidsville NC 69 Camaro
AA/SA 2682 Mike Fuqua Hendersonville TN 69 Camaro
AA/SA 2853 Kevin Cradduck Murfreesboro TN 69 Camaro
AA/SA 3126 Neal Noffsinger Owensboro KY 69 Camaro
AA/SA 3611 Jimmy Ronzello Rockwood MI 08 Mustang
AA/SA 4074 Jimmie Hutto Pearland TX 69 Camaro
AA/SA 4402 Jerry Emmons Pasadena TX 69 Camaro
AA/SA 4455 Ronnie West Broussard LA 70 Roadrunner
AA/SA 4783 Rusty Hall Aiken SC 08 Mustang
AA/SA 4909 Dempsey Pendarvis Gonzales La 02 Firebird
AA/SA 4924 Emmett Mikolajczyk San Antonio TX 69 Corvette
AA/SA 4925 Jimmy D Mikolajczyk San Antonio TX 69 Camaro
AA/SA 5300 Al Corda Elk Mound WI 02 Firebird
AA/SA 5426 Gene Mosbek Elk River MN 64 Savoy
AA/SA 5545 Gary Stinnett Emporia KS 08 Mustang
AA/SA 5717 Bobby DeArmond Gallup NM 69 Camaro
AA/SA 6413 Jon Percy Pocatello ID 64 Savoy
AA/SA 6636 Mick Alley Eagle ID 69 Camaro
AA/SA 6842 Dan Cyr Surprsie AZ 69 Camaro
AA/SA 7031 Greg Luneack Vista CA 63 Savoy
AA/SA 7063 Brian Sanderson South Jordan UT 63 Savoy
AA/SA 7500 Doug Holder San Dimas CA 69 Camaro
AA/SA 7854 Ryan McClanahan Alta Loma CA 02 Firebird
AA/SA 7948 Randy Painter Nephi UT 64 Savoy
AA/SA 400C Jody Simoneaux Napoleonville LA 99 Firebird

Re: Live from Atco , NJ -- NHRA Lucas Oil Series
 

Wow, that's a lot more than I thought. Thanks!

Re: Live from Atco , NJ -- NHRA Lucas Oil Series
 

Now that's funny!

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So punish the racers that guessed right on the weather and close the field.....In these hard times it seems as though NHRA is shooting themselves in the foot again !!!!!!! As a business owner myself I would think the track owner would like to have more customers paying twice at the gate come October..

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Lets just say they reopen the fields. Now you have more people showing up than normal to get to run two races on one weekend (remember maple grove divisional and open a few years ago with 140 stockers on the same weekend.)
Think about the cluster F that would cause giving everyone 1 time run, plus alcohol and running the entire race on Thursday...
Most certainly they would not finish in time, and schedule the remainder of the race for Friday morning. Imagine the bitching you would have from people that show up on Friday and only get one time run instead of the usual 2.

I wasn't even there and I agree with closing the field.

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I count 10-12 that would participate with a legitimate shot to win. Depending on the location of the shootout, 6-8 is more than likely.

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Fuqua and Cradduck are driving the same car, it's just different drivers. There are a few more examples of the same car with two different drivers on that list, I think I picked out 2-3. A lot of the 396 cars probably wouldn't run a shoot out, a lot of them cannot get light enough.

You were correct in the other thread, you could not do it at Indy. The index puts too many of them at risk of a DNQ. It is the price we paid when Len asked us what we wanted for an index. We knew that would be the case, but felt the trade off was worth the risk of a DNQ at Indy.

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That's probably about right.

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So I guess it's to discourage more racers from coming? Just turn it into a four day event....If anyone can make it happen Joe Sway can. I was at that Maple Grove race and everyone I was with had a good time.

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Joe Sway is a smart businessman.I'm sure if he could twist Rain Man's arm the right way the field will open up and both races will go off,weather permitting.

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Oh geez, I guess NO ONE is going to show up at the fall Atco divisional now. That's what they get for playing hooky.

And Ed, why are you complaining? You weren't even planning on running this race anyway.

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Sounds good Eddie!

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Good night Zippy.

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tech is closed...no new entries...that is just the way it is...

It was the same case at the Virginia national a couple of years ago when it was a gauranteed monsoon. I didn't want to waste the time and fuel to go sit in the rain, just to have to go back the following weekend. But if I wasn't there the first time - EVEN THOUGH NO ELIMINATIONS WERE EVEN CLOSE TO HAVING BEEN RUN AND I HAD ALREADY PAID MY ENTRY FEE - I was not allowed to attend.

I was told by several NHRA officials that it wasn't fair to the racers that attended and endured the hardship in week one. They were "rewarded" for their support. I thought it was silly then, and I think it's silly now, but thats the way they roll. PS: it doesn't matter that we never saw a ladder...welcome to random pairings...

BTW, unlike Jack, I think 9:30am Sunday morning was a bit early to call it. I don't think they did anyone any favors. At that point, we had all wasted several days of our lives. Once they didn't bail on Saturday afternoon (based on forecast), I think it was imcumbent on them to stay till at least noon on Sunday. As it turns out, reports from locals state that it turned out to be a more than raceable day.

And I'm sure there are good reasons, but there are NO opportunities from now till October? Lebanon is next week, and the next D1 event is Cecil at the the end of August. Thats almost two months, for crying out loud.

If you couldn't guess, I won't be able to make the resceduled event thats being run almost FOUR months from now...I love divisionals...

Lastly, thanks to Dave Ley for trying to give us a nice race again...

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Everybody take a deep breath and relax!
We are talking about October for crying out loud!
When everyone rolls in the gate that morning I think we will have a good idea what the schedule will be.

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Was there any word on if Dave is going to reschedule the $ 10,000 dollar S/SS race?? I'm a S/G racer but always enjoy going down to watch those races cause Dave puts on a great show...

Hey Dan what was this rumor I heard you had a meeting with the higher ups at NHRA about the sportsman guys?? Don't know could have just been a rumor but I heard it throughout the grapevine at the Maple Grove Divisional

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Dan, I agree with what you are saying. What I don't understand is the economics of it...why turn money away...it's bad business...and NHRA has always done this.

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This from the Div. 1 website:

Quote:

Atco Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series Rained Out Due to the inclement weather throughout the weekend, the Atco Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series event has been postponed to October 2. The fields are set and no new entries will be accepted. Stock and Super Stock first round will be random pairing. On Friday morning, we will give ALL competitors one time run and then run the first event to completion. Saturday Morning there will be one time run followed by first round eliminations of the second event

Should make everyone even happier.

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Closing the fields is absolutely, positively, unequivocally, WITH OUT A DOUBT the MOST retarded thing they could do in this economic climate!

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The second is not running the makeup race on Thursday.

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Even worse, running the make up on Friday. Now your taking runs away from the scheduled race, which might make some racers think twice about paying $170 for a shorted race. Thursday seems like a better day for the make up. Also gives you an extra day in case of rain.

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Alan,

I think the only place to hold such an event would be Bowling Green but it would have to be a "stand alone" event just for stockers, even then who would do the tech?

Jim

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It has myself and another racer I talked to today already thinking twice about paying for a shortened race.

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Johnny and Joe............Yes, were thinking the same thing.

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I was running a Stocker in Super Stock. I wonder if I'm allowed to change cars for the make up race. I didn't plan on running that combo any longer than 2 races. Just wanted to go a few rounds. With random pairing it really shouldn't matter. Does anyone know?

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David -- Seems were in the same boat as I was planning on racing a different car the second half of our season -- the rules, I believe, allow you to change cars but you must run the same class that you started in ....guess we better look into this further .I'll keep you posted .

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Jack, At division 5 makeup race at Great Bend, Ks. this weekend, Super Stock and Stock, returning driver may Reregister in different class but remain within their original eliminator category, must Retech, Tom

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Thanks Tom but I'm pretty sure for the make-up race Tech is closed..........Somewhere in this mess there must be a 'grey area' we can play in .

PS-- I've played in this arena before -- you must re-register in the same eliminator and class.

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Jack, go to division 5 on the lucas oil site, look at great bend makeup race. Tom

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The lockout for the first race is to prevent racers from entering it and going home, leaving the October race pretty much vacant. The way it is structured now, you can finish the June race but, to stay for the October race, you would, obviously, pay another entry. Two entires for basically one race. There is not enough time to get all of our qualifying runs for both races. Friday will be a bitch of a day, running a complete race, plus, the October race! I hope none of the Alcohol cars break.The June race should be completed at Cecil on Thursday.

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I understand - rules are rules - no argument with the closed fields

but I've asked this before -

I know tracks are busy being booked solid - but why wouldn't an important race such as this have a dedicated rain date scheduled that doesn't interfere with another important race?