Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S?
 

Sorry Randy, I should have worded it different. Was told there is no MAJOR advantage...like you said worth a few hundreths, but not much more. You are also correct about the Soft-loc style clutch. I've been running an old fashion rag style non-adjustable, and slips just enough where I can pull the shifter pretty much anywhere. But I know I'm losing at least a tenth as a result.

On a side note I talked to another guy running a GF-2000 who mentioned issues with Gardner Springs popping off. I believe he said it was damaging the sliders as a result. Was a low 9 second small block Mustang weighing approx 2800 lbs. He says it picked up about 2-3 tenths switching from a pro-shifted toploader.

Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S?
 

Come on Guys, just find a good solid tenth somewhere else in the car and let's keep banging the gears "with the clutch" like the good ole days. I realize that it's quicker not using the clutch on clutch assisted transmissions, but they always tend to be breaking/wearing something little by little on each and every pass, no matter how many new/better parts are installed or spare transmissions are put in to replace the damaged ones. If everyone drove them the way they should be with the clutch in every gear change, there would be less breakage...:cool: right? Maybe the guys that don't want to use their left leg any after the starting line, can just add an "A" on the window? :confused: That seems simple enough. :rolleyes:

Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S?
 

thanks for clearing that up gary, i know their is no half second, i was just saying their is a differance. some were saying there was no differance, and possibly slower, was what i was trying to clarify. at our local track we used to have some cordinationally challenged drivers spit their gum out before staging for safety reasons.

Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S?
 

True,

They ran very low nines with cars that had super stock springs and shocks for a rear suspension. In 1965 Sox ran a 9.44 at 145mph in an altered wheel base 1965 Ply. with an injected hemi and a 4 speed with the only modification being every other tooth grinded off the syncro's. Try that on skinny tires!

JimR

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By next week clutchless transmissions will be legal in Stock and Super Stock. That came right from Danny @ NHRA. He said by next Tuesday that information would be posted on NHRA's website. Unless they have a change of mind that was what he told me at PRI.

George Krieger GT/BA 3610

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Weak...:rolleyes:

Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S?
 

from the fan aspect wont it be like,

"hey theres another one of them new fangled 4 speed automatic cars again,what happened to the stick cars?":confused::D

Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S?
 

Officials at NHRA said this week they were considering wording revisions on a couple of rules. One being the manual tranmissions wording. If all parties sign off on the change there would be a revision in the wording to more align the rule with the transmissions that are being used now. The revision may or maynot exclude certian types of available transmission. All of this will be decided this next week if at all possible.

Thanks
Mike Crutchfield

D2 SRAC Member

Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S?
 

any word on this, its killing me as well as other stickshifters...:D



Stephen Johnson #2162
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Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S?
 

Per Pat Cvengros today we will have an answer by Monday.

Jim Davis

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Correcto!!!

Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S?
 

I think the decision was made, lets see if the announce anything today

Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S?
 

Bachelder told me last week that they would decide on tuesday Feb 2 and that there may not be an official annoucement .

Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S?
 

THEY (NHRA) just don't get it!!! They need to understand WHO the Customers are!!!

Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S?
 

I'm not really sure how to interpret your post but you are correct although perhaps misguided. Their customers are (the ones who pay the most) the fans who show up for the dog and pony show, and the sponsors who hope to sell their goods to the spectators. If class racers don't attend, they will be replaced by bracket freaks who will.

Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S?
 

Clutchless transmissions now permitted pg 16-17...

http://www.nhra.com/UserFiles/file/2...Amendments.pdf

Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S?
 

Well good! :rolleyes: Now everyone that has been driving their cars incorrectly can move on and upgrade to a clutchless transmission and dream about racing a SLUSH PUMP automatic someday. Not too many real men out there anymore-sad, very sad. :( Everything else has gone in the wrong direction, this might as well have happened too.

Oh well, S H I f T happens...

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more BS like chamber mods, rod big end size, etc etc. All this just to satisfy the cheaters whats next airshifters? magnetic clutch releases? . .075 over valves to save heads? Oh I forgot no one in the danny club got caught with those yet, at least that we know maybe next rule enhancement.

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what a crock !!!! whats next ??

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Ah Crap.. what's the point of a clutchless transmission :confused:

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Since this rule was effective on 2/8/10 it makes you wonder how many cars will show up at Pomona with clutchless trannies. It would be especially interesting to know this if the car came from the East Coast as they would have had to leave before 2/8/10 to make the trip.

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Early December a friend asked me if clutchless transmissions were now legal in S/S. I said no. He said G Force had orders for 4 clutchless transmissions specifically for super stock cars.

Fast forward to January-I received e-mail from Bruce Bachelder to ask my opinion.

By February it now legal. Plenty of time to get a transmission built.

NHRA used the democratic way to change the rule: 'Somebody' decides they want a rule change, then approachs NHRA. In turn, they hold a forum to ask everyone their opinion and then change the rule. If anyone opposes, they say they used proper protocol, more people were in favor. (results aren't available to public). Works every time.

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Andy Stone 1102 A/S 1112 SS/C