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Rich Biebel 03-03-2010 09:23 PM

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I agree with Bobby .....drag racing needs any publicity it can get NASCAR kicked NHRA's teeth in when it came to sponsor dollars in the last 10+ years. If Kurt Bush shows up it can't hurt. Think of the big picture, what harm does it do letting Kurt in....I'd run him in a heartbeat.......Even Nascar is sucking up to anyone they can for publicity these days.....DANICA.......If she wants to run Stock let her in!!!!

Tom keedle 03-03-2010 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken Keir (Post 172714)
he is a nascar racer and he does not have any grade points and went to the gator nats u need 5 to go to a nationa event

nascar? ain't that a bunch of yuppies wanting to be rednecks?

Ken Keir 03-03-2010 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Biebel (Post 172724)
I agree with Bobby .....drag racing needs any publicity it can get NASCAR kicked NHRA's teeth in when it came to sponsor dollars in the last 10+ years. If Kurt Bush shows up it can't hurt. Think of the big picture, what harm does it do letting Kurt in....I'd run him in a heartbeat.......Even Nascar is sucking up to anyone they can for publicity these days.....DANICA.......If she wants to run Stock let her in!!!!


i dont got a prob with it will bring more fan base maybe but they should follow the rules thats all i think
Adam Keir A/SA 1470

Mike Dahl 03-03-2010 10:02 PM

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Gentlemen,

I think some of you are being short sighted because if Kurt Busch just gets his pit crew to watch he will literally double the amount of spectators for Super Gas. It could be a media bonanza!!!

Relax Super Gas racers, just having a little fun.

G Schenck 03-03-2010 10:10 PM

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Houston's race opened to grade one today and only 9 cars are entered. NHRA needs Jimmie Johnson !!

Greg Schenck

Larry Ericksmoen 03-03-2010 10:29 PM

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Super Gas does not have a full field as of now at the Gators,
so who needs a grade point?
and some lucky S/G racer will get to brag about wacking Kurt Busch.
but,
I would get pissed off if they don't park him in the back forty on the dusty dirt road with the rest of the s/g racers.
heck, he might even bring in a supply of Miller Beer for his new s/g racing buddies!

Jim Bailey 03-03-2010 10:32 PM

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"IF" Danica wants to race Stock .....I'll provide her with a car, a crew member, food, wine, and a Motorhome to stay in !!!...... JB. (ps: she can use me and all my grade points!)

Ed Fernandez 03-03-2010 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Bailey (Post 172743)
"IF" Danica wants to race Stock .....I'll provide her with a car, a crew member, food, wine, and a Motorhome to stay in !!!...... JB. (ps: she can use me and all my grade points!)

Jim,would you be so generous if she had a face like a horse?

Jim Bailey 03-03-2010 10:46 PM

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No !!! ..... I'm a very shallow person (dirty old man with a great wife). ... I think it's called risk - verses benefit...........laughing..........JB

BobOrme 03-03-2010 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Bailey (Post 172723)
I think the real problem would be,,,,, The first person that is told "NO" not without any grade after Kurt has competed at the Gators.

In legal terms it's called "prescience"

Rick

I think the word you were looking for is "precedence". When a precedent is set, future decisions will point back to it.

djmopar74 03-03-2010 11:22 PM

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Nascar let Danica Patrick race in Nascar, so why not let Kurt Busch race in NHRA. I'm sure he not going to get the Media Coverage like she did. And I can understand the grade thing and parking. Just my 2 cents.

Jim Wahl 03-03-2010 11:34 PM

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I wonder what the "media blitz" will have to say after he gets his *** handed to him first round? Jim

W J 03-03-2010 11:34 PM

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Ha, But you might see a bunch of Nascar drivers at the strip when they introduce the new Ledgends Drag circuit at Z-Maxx a little later on down the road....just wait to see the media splash NHRA gives them....kinda makes you wonder, no??? WJ

John Kelley 03-03-2010 11:35 PM

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Want some media attention ???
Put all of the Black Eyed Peas in S/G cars at the GATORS !!!
And put Lady GAGA in one also....!
TALK ABOUT MEDIA ATTENTION !! :-)

Ed Fernandez 03-03-2010 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by W J (Post 172753)
Ha, But you might see a bunch of Nascar drivers at the strip when they introduce the new Ledgends Drag circuit at Z-Maxx a little later on down the road....just wait to see the media splash NHRA gives them....kinda makes you wonder, no??? WJ

Let's face it,we're the red headed step children of the motorsports world.If we allow topless female flag starters,free beer,slam dunk exhibitions during oildowns,half pipes at the 1/8 mile then we'll get some attention.

Gary Smith 03-03-2010 11:53 PM

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Dump the gradepoints, go back to class eliminators with each class finalist running the shoe polish eliminator on Sunday. I seem to recall the stands being filled in the late 70s - early 80s during class runoffs at the Winters and Gators, spectators even standing up as each pair went down the track. Seems NHRA screwed up royally dumping Modified. Wasn't a guy named Dallas Gardner, a well known bean counter involved with that decision?:rolleyes: I'll never forget the sell "dwindling carcounts, this new eliminator will breathe life back into the sportsman ranks while the spectators will enjoy it just as much". Hmmmmm.....does imaginary or invisible people count as spectators? I bet they love to come out and watch sportsmen at 0'dark hundred too, unlike the midday during those old days.. Oh well, what's the difference anyway, all sportsman racing is the same.

rick lester 03-04-2010 12:35 AM

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very interesting post. i for one think it is a good thing letting kurt busch in to race. i will be there first round, laughing my ***** off at all the super gassers wrecking getting behind him, just like in bracket racing. my girlfriend did not want to go at first, then i mentioned kurt was going to be there, now is counting the days on the calender. he's her favorite beer, i mean driver in nascar. i don't like the grading point system myself, but think about it, if the system was eliminated, then the racers chasing a world championship might miss a race if all the locals just went to their closest national event. answer me honestly guys, would you only go to national events if there was no grading points? i for one as a specator, chose divisionals over nationals. why? because of the sportsmen racers, they are, and will always be the backbone of drag racing. at a early age some of the people i looked up to were stock and super stock racers, lee and linda sherman are just two of them. hell if scott helms wasn't going this year, i'd skip it altogether. i'll be there, just look for the fool sitting in the stands when stock and super stock are running.

Rick Bailey 03-04-2010 01:00 AM

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I stand corrected

Thank-you Bob


Rick

Ken Haase 03-04-2010 01:47 AM

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What the??? Do you mean to tell me the ultra-saturation coverage of drag racing, better known as John Force and friends, isn't working? Why, that's inconceivable! I doubt the media coverage of Kurt Busch at Gainesville will make a blip on the radar screen. Maybe if George W. Bush entered an N/IHRA race, that might generate some TV time for drag racing. I'm pretty sure Kurt will be on NHRA Today though.

One other thing. I'll bet "all" the non-racing media types that do show up will think Busch has the race in the bag when his opponent goes on the stop, and he's swooshing on down track into the lead............momentarily. Should be fun!

Jim Bailey 03-04-2010 07:27 AM

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Wait and see what happens when Busch stops on the track after a Red Light. JB

Tom Meyer 03-04-2010 08:19 AM

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What time will super gas run round one. Now if they try to put that in between TF and Funnny car they will take it to far. Just how much may pepole will you have at 9:30 in the morning to what Kurt get whomped by someone.Tom

Bobby Bennett 03-04-2010 08:26 AM

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Never believed class racers cared about Super Gas. I always thought most looked down on the class. Learn something new everyday.

danny waters sr 03-04-2010 08:27 AM

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Under the watchful eye of former NHRA and IHRA Pro Stock driver Roy Hill, Kyle Busch raced at Rockingham Dragway Monday. The 31-year-old Busch, who normally drives the No. 2 Miller Lite Dodge in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, had a best quarter mile time of 9.16 seconds at 166 miles per hour.
slideshow Kurt Busch, the 2004 NASCAR Sprint Cup Champion and one of only 18 drivers to have won races in each of NASCAR’s top three divisions, showed off his vaunted versatility Monday night at Rockingham Dragway at the wheel of a 1970 Dodge Challenger in which he will make his drag racing debut two weeks hence.

Under the watchful eye of former NHRA and IHRA Pro Stock driver Roy Hill, who now operates a professional drag racing school, the 31-year-old Busch, who normally drives the No. 2 Miller Lite Dodge in the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, had a best quarter mile time of 9.16 seconds at 166 miles per hour.

“We got a lot of homework done,” Busch said, “but we’ve still got a lot to do. The track worked great and I was amazed at how well the car hooked at the 400 foot mark.”

A vintage “muscle car,” Busch’s Challenger is equipped with a turbocharger which, according to Hill, makes it fully capable of sub-9.00 second times although it will be dialed-in to run the 9.90 second standard of the NHRA Super Gas class.

Busch will make his Super Gas debut at the March 11-14 NHRA Tire Kingdom Gatornationals at Gainesville, Fla.

A native of Las Vegas, Busch was the 2000 Craftsman Trucks Rookie-of-the-Year and the 2003 IROC champion before winning the ultimate stock car title in 2004, the first year NASCAR’s premier championship was determined in a Countdown format.

Tom Goldman 03-04-2010 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Bennett (Post 172804)
Never believed class racers cared about Super Gas. I always thought most looked down on the class. Learn something new everyday.

Bobby, You could not have put it better. .....I'm sorry my friends,but this is a whole lot of whining and complaining about nothing. .......I made light of Buschs' plans on the .90 forum a month ago,and we all had a good laugh. ...........As of today neither Stock or SS is full, or SG..........I seriously doubt NHRA will be bumping anyone to make way for Busch to enter................The only thing I agree on is he should be in the Sportsman pits. ....Think of the spectator traffic that would generate!..............Don't doubt that NHRA will try to engineer a Marquis matchup for him 1st round ,ala Garlets /Fletcher at Indy. ......My 2 cents, Tom.

Bobby DiDomenico 03-04-2010 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Blankenship (Post 172715)
BIG got in indy and gainsville under the former world champ rule
i think he was a champ sometime before i was born being i am just 58
jim

So Jim,

You don't actually have to be a former NHRA Sportsman Champ in the class you are entering? Did not realize that.

danny waters sr 03-04-2010 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Goldman (Post 172809)
Bobby, You could not have put it better. .....I'm sorry my friends,but this is a whole lot of whining and complaining about nothing. .......I made light of Buschs' plans on the .90 forum a month ago,and we all had a good laugh. ...........As of today neither Stock or SS is full, or SG..........I seriously doubt NHRA will be bumping anyone to make way for Busch to enter................The only thing I agree on is he should be in the Sportsman pits. ....Think of the spectator traffic that would generate!..............Don't doubt that NHRA will try to engineer a Marquis matchup for him 1st round ,ala Garlets /Fletcher at Indy. ......My 2 cents, Tom.

I was not whining ,just showing were he had actually tested his own car . I hope he gets serious with this deal and gets a car that could be competive.I'm not a Bush fan and by no means am i taking up for him. As Dan said in another post it could be anybody. Big Daddy had his little Day at the races in stock and that did not last long either. I like seeing new faces in this sport . Not trying to Bash anyone.

Don Kennedy 03-04-2010 09:03 AM

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not sure all know who this Busch guy is . I know if i saw this person on the street i would not know who or what he looks like so who cares if he wants to race let him race if he can get in the race like everyone else

Michael Beard 03-04-2010 09:03 AM

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why not suggest NHRA eliminate pre-entry to national events. That's a good way to overcrowd the pits and classes!
Really? I thought we were "experiencing the worst recession in decades", "car counts are down", and "quotas still aren't full". I think NHRA has plenty of other policies that help keep the classes from overcrowding... :rolleyes:

Henry S 03-04-2010 10:18 AM

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I bet he gets pulled for the bye first round so that the "media" can show only him winning.:eek:

Jim Wahl 03-04-2010 10:32 AM

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Mary, any past World Champion can enter any event without grade points, Garlits is a past World Champion. Just one of the perks. Jim

Nitro Joe Jackson 03-04-2010 10:32 AM

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Here is my only take on this and I'm just looking at it as i tried to enter my parents (whom has 40 plus yrs tender at NHRA) at Rt 66 Nats the last 2 years but did not have enough grade points but i keep seeing and it was done at Rt 66 Nats last year a special deal making someone get in with 1 or none grade points. I have been on NHRA forever to have them make a wave deal for anybody that has been a card carrying member of NHRA for over 40 years they only have to have 1 grade point , these people are who has kept NHRA going through thick and thin and all I'm told is its not right to the new people starting out, but still we have this deal.
I for one have disliked all the Danica deal cause all the over rated hype and airtime she got in the last 3 nationwide races until she went out (thank goodness for that) and ESPN being the morons they are will botch up the TV deal with the Kurt deal.
But i wont be watching as i have not figured out how to only have car sounds and not the announcers as they........never mind I'll keep that to myself.
Bottom line if he races more power to him, but i see both sides of this deal.

BTW on the other Busch post on here, Marc brings up a great question and if it happens he is going by the rules, What if Kurt enters at Atlanta D2 event and there is his grade point since Gators are not filled as of yet. He could do it easy as Nascar is at Atlanta this weekend also.

Bobby DiDomenico 03-04-2010 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rick lester (Post 172767)
"vmy girlfriend did not want to go at first, then i mentioned kurt was going to be there, now is counting the days on the calender. he's her favorite beer, i mean driver in nascar." "hell if scott helms wasn't going this year, i'd skip it altogether. i'll be there, just look for the fool sitting in the stands when stock and super stock are running."

Rick,

A good observation , and most likely why all this TV focus on just a few Pro drivers has not increased attendance.

Chuck Beach 03-04-2010 03:53 PM

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Rules? Rule book? What rules? What rule book? A friend of mine got protested at the St. Louis race a few years ago on race day. It clearly states in the rule book the procedures of protesting and you can't do it on race day. NHRA made him tear down anyway. There is no rule book only NHRA interpretations. This is all about publicity and money and you can take that to the bank .. lol ... Jim Bailey you are a funny guy .. :-) I think the Playmate of the month should have to enter one sportsman category at each national event ... then the NHRA circus will almost be complete ..

tpoh815 03-04-2010 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 172821)
Really? I thought we were "experiencing the worst recession in decades", "car counts are down", and "quotas still aren't full". I think NHRA has plenty of other policies that help keep the classes from overcrowding... :rolleyes:

Niiiiiiice one!

Greg Hill 03-05-2010 08:09 AM

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Chuck, the only rules they go by are whatever they want to do at the time. I think one of our good tech men threw the rule book at one of the chiefs at Indy a couple of years ago.


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