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Harry 6674 03-04-2010 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 172899)
Yes 66 How many remember racing on active airports without towers or communication. The plane buzzed the track, the racing shut down, a large flag was waived, the plane landed and taxied off, back to racing. You gotta love it.

I once in a while race on an 1/8th mile/airport track on the coast in Washington that serves as the helipad for medical transports. We also get deer and elk and an occasional cow trying to time in. Its all good, love that 1/8th mile.

Superfan1 03-04-2010 03:02 PM

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Yes, will be 63 next month.

engbldr 03-04-2010 03:13 PM

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yes 66 todays honda is yesterdays 55 chevy

Rich Biebel 03-04-2010 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by George Fitzpatrick (Post 172913)
Yes 60
York PA
Had to stop racing for the planes to land.

I can vouch for that one..... a little red light started flashing when a plane was going to land......

Ed Fernandez 03-04-2010 05:08 PM

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Wow,46 posts and nobody's pissing on anyone's leg.Shows that maybe we can get problems solved if we work at it.With a little cooperation from the organization maybe 2110 will be a turn around year.
Still not many responses from uner 40 year olds though.Must be busy texting or twittering,
what ever that is.

GEORGE PETERSON 03-04-2010 05:39 PM

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Yes - 63 ( On Jupiter I'd only be 5 )

cicero819 03-04-2010 05:51 PM

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yes,52 easy to see why, none of the present automobiles have character (except the new Challenger,Camaro and Mustang) I know that no kids these days check's out to see when the new models of Honda's are coming out.

Bill Belden 03-04-2010 06:00 PM

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Yes...62

Robert Swartz 03-04-2010 06:05 PM

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Yes - 55 years old (second childhood)

Ed,

As far as a car culture. Here in the midwest, instead of drag cars. It's 4x4's. Alot of people around here like trucks. Another thing, I work with about a half dozen guys that love derby cars? It amazes me how much money they can tie up into something that they'll destroy eventually. Although, some have figured out ways to put "new" bodies on the things!

I think another thing. You don't have the visability anymore. When I was a pup, 60's-early 70's. Every gas station, repair garage, body shop, towing service, parts store et al, had some kind of race car, be it drag or stock car setting on the lot. One of our "local legends" owned a Sunoco service station, he used to get his dragster out on Friday or Saturday nite and run it up and down the road. The town cops would come out and raise a ruckus, not much they could do. The city and county paid him to keep their police cars tuned up!

I have also seen a new interest with the current crop of Camaro's, Mustang's and Challengers. It is there but has just changed from our day.

Bill Brennan 03-04-2010 06:09 PM

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Yes ! -- 58

doublet 03-04-2010 06:25 PM

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Yes, no question about it. With the computerized cars today, it's hard for the average kid to work on their car. Gas was a lot cheaper back in the 60's, the cops didn't care as much, not much for TV's and movies so what else was there to do? Go cruising. I'm 59 by the way.

mcink 03-04-2010 06:56 PM

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Yes, 52.

Excuse me while I go out to the garage past my 2 Hondas,
and hug my '69 Camaro convertible.

I can't drive it until the snow and ice leaves the area,
which is hopefully by May 1st.

Lee Valentine 03-04-2010 07:25 PM

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Yes,63 We grew up in the greatest of times for a car nut.

CycloneFE 03-04-2010 07:42 PM

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Yes, 52.

Greg Reimer 7376 03-04-2010 07:48 PM

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Yes.55.The tree hugging liberal environmentalist greenies starting in 1970 with that first earth day marked the beginning of the end of how it was.

Bill Bogues 03-04-2010 07:49 PM

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Yes 59.

Barnstorm 03-04-2010 07:50 PM

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65....new car intrductions were a big deal...keep the all new Chevy 58Impala under wraps until Oct xx...only at your dealer...people wore formal attire. I just had to inform my Mopar buddies that I just bought an 07 Hyundai Azera.

et7333 03-04-2010 07:59 PM

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Yes 61

Ed Fernandez 03-04-2010 08:02 PM

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I like Lee's comment best.

We grew up in the greatest of times for a car nut.

You can't beat that with a stick.

M Brand 505B 03-04-2010 08:11 PM

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Yes, 23. I think the fan base for sportsman racing is non existent in the newer generation. Its pretty rare to find a person like myself that can't wait to start racing in stock eliminator.

FED 387 03-04-2010 08:12 PM

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I remember about Labor day maybe the week before we would cruise the very back corners of either the dealership or the remote storage lots for the larger dealerships & usually hidden between the vans/trucks they would hide the new models. course you usually talked to the zooger in the back that did the new car prep and he "new" where

everything was hidden----use to do it on Sundays cause the place was closed or after dark nobody would bother you then----Truck stops were a great place to see the new stuff too especially where the car transport drivers would eat

Not like it used to be since the Govt started building cars in 1972-3.
Well when your hungry "eat your Japenese car" they were cheap in 1970 and they are still cheap now---Wonder how this whole Toyota deal is gonna play oot--- But I digress!!!! Comp 387

Wade Mahaffey 03-04-2010 08:20 PM

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YES 54 going on 24....get it out of the garage and drive it....it's still fun....get it out of that enclosed trailer and drive it....

The way we keep hiding our toys in the garage and in the trailer....theres no wonder that people are starting to forget them....how can you bring people into the culture when you keep hiding the goodies.....get it out and drive it !

http://i49.tinypic.com/2cy4nyp.jpghttp://i47.tinypic.com/mrerfc.jpg

WHEN YOU STOP TRYING.....YOU START DYING !

Wade Mahaffey

Clayton Wright 03-04-2010 08:25 PM

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Hi Ed.
Yes Iguess I'm the oldest guy so far on this post but i'm not telling.
By the way thanks for the magazine. Brings back some memories.
Clayton

Paul Precht 03-04-2010 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 173027)
I like Lee's comment best.

We grew up in the greatest of times for a car nut.

You can't beat that with a stick.

Yes-55 Ed they were truly the greatest of times of all IMO. Boy you guys are old, I'm like a teenager around here, Paul.

Ronnie Scott 03-04-2010 09:12 PM

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WJ
I ran at Orange a few times early sixties. Injected buick in 50 ford owned by Ronnie Lepalm. also ran my roadster there in early eighties if my memory serves me right. Someone put togeter a sunday race trying to promote a new track for the northeast. I beilive Wally Roberts, Mike Fitts and Barry Rebero were also there. No traction compound just a great time and many memories.

Any one remember Charleston and the seagulls?

Ed Carpenter 03-04-2010 09:21 PM

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Yes 43

When I was a kid and went to the track with my dad all the cars were 67-69 camaros, 55-57 chevy, mustangs, gto's, cudas, etc. It was awesome. Today the younger guys don't want to class race. My son who is 21 wants to build his 70 nova into a 10.5 car LS turbo power or some crap like that. I asked him why don't we make it a 396 stick car in stock? He said why in the hell would I do that. He says everyone is going that direction in his age group. Nothing we can do about it. Ed

Ellis V. Buth 03-04-2010 09:29 PM

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Yes-21

Unfortunately I have to agree. I would have loved to race back in the airstrip days but hey, you deal with what you are given. I am 21 and I know that car culture will never be like it was for all of you guys growing up, but I absolutely love bracket racing (apparently there are getting to be fewer of us that do at my age) and older cars and wince any time I see a Civic or Acura burn down the quarter with 75 pounds of NOS to ensure that it can keep up with the other cars.

Mike Taylor 3601 03-04-2010 09:42 PM

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I'm a 1967 model got to start going to track when I was 2 years old My Dad ran modified.
I'm 42 now and even people my age some have raced 20 years don't have a clue what class cars even are you can explain give examples of how fast they are with whats allowed and they just look at you like you are crazy or like they did'nt hear a word you said.
My opinion is at 42 I'm one of the few my age that are into class cars.My generation is less mechanically inclined than my Dads generation(62 years old)my son is 18 his generation has less interest than mine.
My age and younger all they see is quick et they don't care if you do it with 300'' small block or 800''s with 3 systems
A good example is IHRA pro stock verses NHRA pro stockers they don't care IHRA is 315''s bigger they just see they go a little quicker.
Sorry if went long this is something that has aggravated me almost my whole life.People don't want a challenge or work for accomplishments they want it easy but when you get it easy what do you have to be proud of?
Mike Taylor 3601
BTW yes

Doug Blackley 03-04-2010 09:45 PM

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Have to agree with you Ed. Of course, in todays world you won't ever see a Pontiac GTO Judge tv ad with the kid cruising the local burger stand like they ran for the 1970 model year. That said, how different is the current fan base for the super fast street cars than when guys were building coupes, etc back in the day? Oh almost forgot, 48.

CycloneFE 03-04-2010 09:47 PM

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Ellis V, you come by it honest, say Hi to your Dad and Mom for me.

Steve

Chris "drooze" Wertman 03-04-2010 10:29 PM

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No, I dont think there is no car culture, I just dont think many of the people here are part of "Car Culture" now, not the same as the strangeo's I hang with.

38

There are like Travis said younger (than myself) people very very active in performance, class cars, no way they see it as too restrictive, expensive and unneccesary. Not much "bang for the buck" in a class car to double street duty.

There are the "ricers" there are the "Kustom Kulture" and the Street fighters out there in DROVES

A class where ANY Car was allowed, foreign or domestic based on Cubic inches would probably attract more, maybe a NA and FI seperation indexed like the SS/GT ? , but the import guys feel a bit "out of the loop" expept in the brackets, drifts, and just about everywhere but the NHRA and IHRA proper.....

That from someone who has lots of friends in the other categories.

Car Culture is alive and well.....its just not NHRA ("worthy", "accepted" ?) Car Culture.



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Originally Posted by Travis Miller (Post 172815)
Ys 62, but if I may add something else....you knew I would. LOL

There is still a car culture out there. We just do not see it because the new (read as young) fan base is not wrapped up in our type of sportsman racing. Our type centers around Stock and SS that we grew up with. That is why we frequent forums such as Class Racer.

The new car culture is centered around much faster cars than we race. It is not imports as a lot of us would like to think. The imports fans have moved on to drifting or bolted-on body parts at car shows. What I am talking about is the large fan base that follows the fast streetcar group. From the stands, these cars look like your normal late model Mustang, Camaro, etc. That is until they actually make a run down the track. The cars I am talking about get their horsepower from nitrous, turbochargers or pro chargers.

A high percentage of rollcages that I certify today at chassis shops are these type cars. And I am talking about freshly built cars, not re-certifications. If you want to see where young fans are going today, go to one of the fast streetcar races at a local track. You will be amazed at how the young fans of today remind you of when you were young yourself. They have the same passion for racing as we did years ago. We had musclecars off the showroom floor that we bought and modified. They have cars they have bought and modified with stuff that puts out a lot more horsepower than we ever thought possible. They want to see something fast. Our Stock and SS cars just do not tickle their fancy.

Travis

(Disclaimer: Opinions expressed by me on this forum are exactly that, my opinions.)


Geerhead55 03-05-2010 12:01 AM

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Yes,,I'm 57. Travis is deffinately right about today's youngsters. Last October a friend and I flew back to Memphis for the annual LSX Shootout and NMCA race and the "under 35ers" were there doing what we all did years ago,, they just have a different type of race car. They have their own group of stars( The Ohio Boys,,SAM race group and so on) who the younger fans follow and crowd around. It was an eye opener for us, as nothing like that gets run up in the NW. Any new generation stock/superstock racers will most likely come from families already involved in it. There were no imports at this event,,,sadly the announcement that Memphis was closing came about 2 weeks after we got back home.
Danny Durham

rick lester 03-05-2010 03:06 AM

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yes...40, but act 20.

but i will add...car crazy guys and girls are still there, just not in class racing. i enjoy a challenge, but it is so easy to add nitros or a tubo to a crate motor and go fast without the hard work that goes into class racing.

mannymen 03-05-2010 07:36 AM

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I just think Wade Mahaffey put the writing on the wall for Stock and Super Stock racing. The 35 and under crowd is definitely not interested in a Camaro that goes 9's when they can build a street car that runs 8's or faster for half the cost

"WHEN YOU STOP TRYING.....YOU START DYING !"

Mike Bassin 03-05-2010 08:11 AM

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Yes..63
The car culture is alive and well, just not like it was in the '60s. Not a lot of new blood in Stock / Super Stock, mostly young drivers that have been around these cars all of their lives. The heads up racing is growing, it draws the crowds. What really amazes me is the Pinks All-Out thing. I announced this event at Maple Grove in 2007, enormous crowd even on the unofficial test and tune day, people were in the seats the whole day to see 350 cars make two time runs. Rewind 47 years ago to 1963 and you wouldn't believe the crowds that showed up to see Ronnie Sox, Dave Strickler, Bud Faubel, Malcom Durham and others at 75-80 Dragway to see these racers run high elevens. Our hobby is still strong, just different.

Mike Bassin

W J 03-05-2010 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronnie Scott (Post 173047)
WJ
I ran at Orange a few times early sixties. Injected buick in 50 ford owned by Ronnie Lepalm. also ran my roadster there in early eighties if my memory serves me right. Someone put togeter a sunday race trying to promote a new track for the northeast. I beilive Wally Roberts, Mike Fitts and Barry Rebero were also there. No traction compound just a great time and many memories.

Any one remember Charleston and the seagulls?

Yes Ronnie, Charlestown, Rhode Island....and Sanford, Maine as well. Gus Zuidema and Harr Ford Cobra, Pete Murphy and his '55 Chev Wapid Wabbit Gasser, Gene O'Neill and his '65 Hemi Coronet, then the Hemi Dart....I ran a '64 Malibu SS Chevelle stocker back then....Warren Lederer. WJ

Steves68Nova 03-05-2010 09:45 AM

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Yes 56

Bob Don 03-05-2010 09:54 AM

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Yes 55

69Cobra 03-05-2010 09:58 AM

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Yes 33

I wish I could have lived back in the 50's and 60's. To be a part of that era would have been awesome to me. Today if you are not building a 8 second ride you don't have anything impressive. Here in Cincinnati there are more than a couple 8 second street cars that have been sold in the 20k dollar range. I will spend more than that to build a competitive stocker motor to run high 10's and at that not be street able.

To be honest. This topic has been that little voice in my head for the past 4-5 years. At 33 I grew up with my Dad and his friends racing in div 3 in the s/ss ranks and it’s in my blood. I've been racing my Dad's old stocker since the early 90's and really want to pull the trigger on a stocker motor to put the car back where it belongs. I want my own U.S. Nationals Wally and that is what drives me. But when all I read on here is people bitching about this and that and how entry fees keep going up and purses and contingencies keep falling it really makes me wonder if I have a brain in my head to be considering jumping in this arena. I respect what you guys do with what you have to do it with and that’s why I want to see if I can be competitive against todays stockers. I just haven’t justified the money side of it yet.

Sorry Ed I know all you wanted was a simple Yes or No.

Cheers!!!

Dan Schlieker 03-05-2010 11:23 AM

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Yes 57


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