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Kenny.I believe you can attribute it to a condition called internet muscles,especially the no names.

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I've got my hand raised to be a Character reference for Jeff,, Cause he too wears a HEMI challenge cap!.....................Stand Tough, Jeff, don't let them get you down ! John

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J. Dillinger PE #1, I actually lobbied for the 39 Hudson Terraplain Fastback Red in color, to be allowed in T/SA with the available 354 Hemi. I never got anywhere with that one either. Bruce, I was never aware that I was such a tale teller. For those who don't know me, I am the dealer @ Southland Dodge Chry Jeep for the last 42 years. I went racing for my first time in l958 when my brother Joe took me to the airport in Opelusus, LA. Joe and I were partners for over 30 years. He is the largest truck dealer in Louisiana. We started with 7 people and now have over 300 inspite of the economy. Thats the short version. Now Bruce, as to my involvement with the "crate motors" in stock, I knew about this project 2 years ago when John Danoto, an engineer with Mopar and also a stock truck racer, started it. We spoke several times and he was interested in the flat top Edlebrock head Top Stock motor we had run in IHRA. We ran it for years. I told him what I thought. Since Mopar had no heads available (none), the magnum head has long been gone, so NHRA allowed the Magnum R/T head in S/SS at +5, however Mopar quit making that head one month after NHRA allowed it. Mopar then got Edlebrock to make a knock off head for them, but the port matching that is standard on all the Edelbrocks is not done and that is the head for Stock Eliminator and it has a Mopar part number and casting number. The rest of the thing is like it was in 66 when the small block Mopar appeared. Just a brief history. And of course the bankruptcy, and the other public details. Now you know my involvement. As for the SRAC I do my best and will continue to do my best for S/SS. I really try to get my info at the races, more than on the net. I will continue to do this. It's a thankless job, but it keeps me off the street and out of the bars. If I decide to post more, I will call Drooze and dictate it. I hit my finger putting the SS motor in my new Challenger. Now it's your turn.

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And the truth shall set you free. Mark Callanan, I see you are an H/SA racer. I ran 11.01 at No Problem in H/SA and you ran 11.10 or so at Lebanon Valley. I got a tenth or so on you. I will have to check with Nitro Joe for your fastest. You might be faster. I'm sorry this has gotten you so worked up. No harm was intended.

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Jeff did you run a 10.51 at 127?

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Jeff,
Just about what we thought. Thanks for your post. Take care of your finger.

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Jeff,

I just have one thing to say:

Paragraphs are your friend! :)


-Toby

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Come on,,, Paragraphs??? Paragraphs????

He said he hurt his finger, and in spite of that, he still spells better than Drooze....

That's OK Jeff.... We don't need no stinkin' paragraphs...

David
The New Hemi Guy

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Yeah THIS From the Guy who when I told him to write Hemi Bunny on my goofy paintsuit spelled it BUNNEY...........

Yeah....thanks pop.

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We all remember the fabulous feed that you put on at Byron US Class Nationals in 2001. And the hospitality at the Cajuns and the Nationals. Run what ever combos you want.....the minnesota 5651 SS/AH bunch.

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And the truth shall set you free. Mark Callanan, I see you are an H/SA racer. I ran 11.01 at No Problem in H/SA and you ran 11.10 or so at Lebanon Valley. I got a tenth or so on you. I will have to check with Nitro Joe for your fastest. You might be faster. I'm sorry this has gotten you so worked up. No harm was intended.

Jeff you seem to have forgotten the 10.88 you went on the free time trial against Jim
Schaechter. ( see 1320go and put in your car # 4022). And even if you car was light for the 10.51 @127 Thats a c/sa time. I think the car is beautiful and great in stock, just needs to be in the right class. Yes I run H , and I am very fast in the class, but it is with a TRUE H/SA car.

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In two or three years nhra Stock will consist of two body styles with different paint schemes. All the older cars will eventually find their way to IHRA, where it is available, and to other smaller racing associations; which may turn out to be the best result for everyone concerned. We know that IHRA wants racers and is willing to place these cars in classes where they cannot take advantage of the older cars and their owners. But, nhra Stock will have lost it heart and soul. Some people applaud this great OEM participation and claim it's the best thing for Stock. I don't agree.

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[QUOTE=Bruce Noland; All the older cars will eventually find their way to IHRA,

I doubt it.......Maybe the cars will migrate after they are sold but the existing owners will take up another hobby. Ive heard some NHRA racers say the wouldnt race IHRA if "Hell Froze Over" and yet they never tried it before because of the crate motored classes, tracks to far away yet they travel from the east coast to Pomona every year, and any excuse they can come up with. If you dislike NHRA so damn much because of the way you are treated why not give it a season and try it. You just might be pleasantly surprised. For a couple of things..... you dont need grade points to enter a national event, and you dont have to give them your entry months in advance and enter via computer. Its all attitude and ego's. Sure the money isnt as good now but what happens when all of the sportsman cars stop racing NHRA and race only IHRA and the car counts are up. Do you think the sponsors will remain with NHRA? Get with Mike Baker, management, tech crew (Danny Waters, Hank Blankenship) and develope a real stock and S/S commitiee with someone who will listen to your concerns and input instead of turning a deft ear. The AHFS is a joke......you ALL know it. 1000 ft dumping sucks for everyone and most of all the spectators. Its almost like S/G except its at the finish instead of the starting line. Ive heard so may who say they have a fix (cure) for the AHFS but say NHRA wont listen and dosent care. Isnt it time to move on and try something different? Isnt it time to sitck together to save what you all love and live for? Isnt it time to do something ecxcept come up with excuses on why you didnt race with IHRA and continue to be lead around like "Sheep"? It wouldnt happen over night but in a short time I can see it making a difference. Its way less expensive and less head aches than trying to start another racing association. Believe me....I looked into it a LOT about 2 years ago and its finacial suicide in this economy and dealing with the mind set of the die hard NHRA racers. My 2 1/2 cents.

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Jeff I haven't looked at this post for a while. It's amazing what it has morphed into.
How Dare you go out and build a car that is in the NHRA rule book?
Didn't you realize there were other racers in the class you picked to run?
If you had gone a best of 12.0 would they have chimed in trying to get you to go faster?
A lot of the naysayers have been commenting about the uselessness of the SRAC in the past. They must have had an awakening.
You have done as much if not more for the sportsman racer than anyone out there.
Keep having fun.

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I ran those times in a test session before the Cajuns started. So What!! I ran the 10.88 in a no tech time trial, not qualifying, no weight. So What!! A couple years back I saw a B/SA run 9.98 @ 128 in a test session before the race. Last year I saw Roger Brogdon run 6.47 in Pro Stock testing. And many more. Now do you apologize for going fast? My name ain't Obama and I ain't apologizing for my car. I am proud of this car. The configuration I had when I ran is all anybody is guessing about. I ain't doing nothing different.

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I wasn't there,but at the Indy Fall Classic,I understand that there was some timing issues and cars that had never gone in the 10 second zone had done so.

Nitro Joe does a great job on the Stats,but there are sometimes "issues" and other circumstances that prevent the runs from being 100% accurate.

Maybe Mr Teuton's car had a timing issue on the day of testing? Clock malfunctioned?
Might have been 9.50,but who knows?

LOL!

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Gary,
The car wasn't light. He told some racers at Belle Rose he would have to put another driver in the car if it was going to run in G because he was too heavy. I thought that was funny.

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Yep sounds about right..it's allready a Circus,and then at the same time we can rid of all the current AA to H-I cars that dont really belong here anymore in a natural way...
Maybe we also should get the weight breaks down to 6.0 in Stock so there is room for progress with these new,and "new-old" cars..and SS..that should be scrapped,whats the idea to have Stockers outrunning SuperStockers?..(explain that to the fans)..

Well ..really maybe the time has come to scrapp Stock and move everything to SS?
I think that would probably be the best deal,then these new cars(and other "paper-deals") wouldn't have such a big advantage running big roller cams,good flowing heads,high single plane intakes and a big throttle body ,in reallity the factors would be much more inline with the rest of the competition if such a move happened! And not to forget,those new cars would be in the class they belong,but on the expense of alot of others!

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Mr. Jeff. Im sorry that I had you propose the idea to legalize the very cool 68 Hemi cars for stock. There is no reason they shouldnt be, they have to add weight to get to AA just like my ZL-1, a L-88 vette, the Thunderbolt,ect. The parts are still availible and they are real cars. Start them at the factory 425hp and let "THE SYSTEM" work it out. I didnt mean for you to get into a Keyboard Sh##storm like this has become, but I know you will let this slide like mud off a crawfish...... I get to see every day how much Jeff does for ANY racer in need and have told him we need to give him a salary for all the time he spends talking to NHRA, IHRA, State and local Government (not just louisiana) on all the towing issues ect, ect...... Happy Easter to all!!!!

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We are proud of you too Jeff, keep up the good ideas and good work!

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The bottom line...Is Jeff correct with his facts regarding specs being in the book for the last 42 years for the 68 Dart/Cuda Hemi cars in stock.

Many of the arguments appeared not to be based on the validity of his facts.
Some ex's...9" tires are way better....Run a 10.5 tire and move to the IHRA....It's April fools... He's a Mopar dealer... etc.

I believe that Art stated it very well.

Also, My hope is that Bruce Noland's predictions that we might be headed in the direction of only two styles with different paint schemes will not be the future of Drag Racing. He stated it perfectly that the heart and sole of Drag Racing would be lost.

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As long as there are people like myself and the Bruce Noland's of the world who may not agree on the validity of the CJ's and DP's but the common ground is the "Heart and Soul of Drag Racing " it will survive .............Most racers are not ready to quit because of the sheer existance of these new cars .

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Yes that's the only "fair" way to apply the crate motor rule to everyone equally. Most if not all of the cars you mentioned were built outside the factory production line. And don't forget Conway's Corvette.

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Scott, where did your SS/A 67 L88 Vette end up? - saw the car run at Ennis in the late 80's, nice piece.

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Thanks Scott,

I had also proposed to NHRA that a GT/AH class be created at 6.0 where we can run those type engines in GT cars. The GTAA cars now at 8.0 for the high horsepower cars running 1000lbs heavier just doesnt wash. NHRA changed GT cars forever when they allowed the 2670lb car. Especially when the changed the wording on the 2500lb minimum.

Wouldnt a 428 Tunnel port Grand AM against a 427 Cobalt heads up at 6.0 be cool?

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[QUOTE=Lynn A McCarty;



Wouldnt a 428 Tunnel port Grand AM against a 427 Cobalt heads up at 6.0 be cool?[/QUOTE]

But Lynn.....That would steal the spot light from the multi millionaires Hemi 'Cudas and Darts. Ya cant have that with all the $$$$ Chrysler dumps into NHRA.

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Someone proposed the '49 Hudson Hornet....

CAN'T DO THAT!! NO HUDSON HORNETS WE'RE BUILT 'TIL 1951!!!!

Uh, wait a minute.... strike that. I forgot the new rules; it's "crate motor" time in NHRA Stock!!!

Sorry; I get so confused....

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No... But a Challenger Drag Pak vs a new Cobra Jet Mustang would be very cool. Current Factory cars fighting it out like the old days. To bad Pontiac is going gone/away a GTO would be cool in the mix.

I'd also like to see :

1. Fully super stock prepared 2010 CJ Mustang heads up against the fastest SS/AH(Barton/Daniels or Wescotts). Maybe there's finally going to be something new at the top??? New Mustangs already pushing 152 mph, how long did it take the hemi's to get to that level?

2.Oakes with Armstrong power vs the Big Bad Red Roush Mustang heads up in SS/DA or SS/CA. My moneys on the stang even tough I'd like to see Brian win.

3. Any new camaro drag pack option(come on GM)

4.Mopar figures a way to allow a 392 hemi with a supercharger like the Cobra Jets. Then it will really get fun...


These threads are more fun than the National Inquirer to read..thanks for all the fun over my morning coffee.

Having fun,
Alex

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Tech man, those 'multimillion darts & cudas' were devalued severly last year. Humbling is what you call it. But you know, an old Barton motor and a good car is an excellent bracket car. We did that last year. Anybody need any old SS/AH motors?

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Mopar will soon release an all aluminum block probably capable of over 1000 hp in 426 and 440 based on the current 6.1 Hemi design. Same heads as the current DP cars, big one barrel throttle body, maybe something for the blown crowd also. Crate motors & parts. But you know how those 'crate motors' move around from car to car.

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I'm thinking a new LS7 cobalt or cavalier

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Ah, Hudsons! You now have the first "Crate Motor Stocker". Ike Smith built 4 Hudson Jets (small compact car 2800#), and convinced "Farmer" it was and option, only to find that they set the firewall back 4 inches to get a 308 cu in, dual carbed motor and Hydramatic in to J/ Stock. This caused my Falcon to be uncompetitive for over two years. So you see there is precedence for whats going down. A couple of "names" had them and did real well with them, also. Ah, history.
Fred

P.S. I forgot to add this was about 1963/1964 or so.