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Heck, they can't even count your change back at whatever summer job they have if the computer is down.

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Speaking of students that cannot do math, a friend of mine took early retirement from teaching. The school board threatened to fire him because he was flunking too many students and he was making the local school system look bad. He is thinking about writing a book exposing the system. I told him he had better watch his back!

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I have a niece that is a 4th grade teacher. I asked her why can't kids even make change after graduating high school? She says that is not what they are told to teach them. I told her she should teach that anyway, counting change back is so stinking basic and easy, they should be taught that. You would think it is so easy they would not have to be taught to do that. Sure screws most of them up if you drag out some change after they have typed in the numbers for the bills you handed them.

Parents don't want them flunking their kids, no matter how dumb they are. Just pass them on for the next teacher to deal with.

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This is often the problem-we like to blame schools for the problems kids have, but a lot of the time it is as much the fault of the parents as it is of the students. When I was a kid, it used to piss me off that my parents made me spend so much time reading and studying when other kids were out playing. Now that I have a great job that requires me to read and study all the time, I'm not as pissed off at them as I was as a kid. I guess they knew what they were doing.

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Yeah, mine kept getting smarter and smarter after I passed about 30/35 years of age. :D

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Having Jeannie around all this time sure didn't hurt you any too! hahaha

Deb asked me if you were going to Topeka this year.

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They werent teching the car when it crashed. They take the seat belts and cut them in 1/2 and take the chassis tag off. Anything that is certified when it crashes gets this. The TECH guy is over the seat I'm sure cutting the belts.

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If you are really hurt, responsive or non responsive they will cut your firesuit off, too!
I told them how much that suit cost, but they kept cutting...

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I remember that...I still have the tape...happened in Atlanta.

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Depends on next weekend out here. You guys coming down for the Div 4 race here?

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Will,
Where are you located, now?
Still boating?

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We had big plans to be there because I will be in Tulsa a couple of days but then I got stuck on call for the weekend so I have to get back home Friday. After I whined a lot she thought we might try to get to Topeka.

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Right up the road from you on highway 71 in Carthage, Mo. I made it down your way several years back on my way to No Problem. I got totally confused at some goofy intersection in town and forgot to find you. When I didn't see you at the track I was going to stop on the way home but went thru town around midnight. I keep planning on getting back but as my wife says, I always have plans for something but never finish them. My race car is still sitting since the first shake down runs 5 years ago.

I gave up the boat after we ran at Firebird several years ago and started on a Dart super stocker. Wow did I ever miss that cost estimate. haha

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I've just finish reading my Stock, Super Stock Magazine from 1996 and I really think that it's the same thing happening again. No way for a Pro Stock engine can belch fire like a fire breathing dragon unless NOS is applied. Go back and read the article, it's quite informative, it might shed some light on the subject. Nice to see that stock or super stock haven't reach these measures .

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You simply do not know what you are talking about, pretty common here lately.

Kurt Johnson had a couple of back fires on startup a few years ago. He didn't have nitrous on his either. Heard it do it myself.

Do you really think nobody ever goes into someone else's pits and sees the other guy's cars? I can assure you Greg Stanfield and others walk into Mikes pits, Mike goes into theirs. Do you not realize how they get looked over, and how often, when they are qualifying at the top? Do you really think the NHRA tech guys are too blind and stupid to find it? Are you actually that ignorant?

Yeah, a car magazine is where you will find all the latest dead nuts info, those fast guys will tell magazine writers everything they know, straight and honest. 1996 or any other year. Is the internet and car magazines where you get your info? Do you actually know any of the competitive Pro Stock guys?

Why not go to a race, and go to Greg Anderson's and Jason Line's pits and ask them if they think Edwards has nitrous?, then go ask Stanfield, then go ask Allen Johnson, then Warren and Kurt. They would know more than any 1996 magazine article, or some internet message board poser spreading "I heard"s.

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Mr Wright, mechanically, please explain what can cause a major flare out of the scoop. No broken valve can cause such carnage. Yes, you're right that we shouldn't be jumping to conclusion, I've talk to people in WJ's camp and they also feel that there is something not to kosher with the latest explosions. Kurt's fire was caused by a crack cylinder gasket. Look, I know that a lot of people treat others like mushrooms, just because nobody has gotten caught doesn't mean it's not happening, same thing happened in 94 until Rusty Glidden told the truth which cause quite a stir at the time. I'm not trying to start something here just don't want to be snafued again. If Edwards win's this week-end he'll quite his dis-tractor if he doesn't, you be the judge. Mr Wright it's only my opinion and you know what they say about opinions.

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I was at that race in Atlanta and as soon as he got unbelted he covered the manifold with his fire jacket. He barrow rolled eight times if I remember correctly.

After he got the car loaded up I stopped by and talked to him and he was the nicest guy even under those circumstances.

Warren has never been nice, he signs autographs with a scowl on his face and when the Dodge Boys were beating his *** he never failed to bad mouth them.

JimR

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Warren has never been nice, he signs autographs with a scowl on his face and when the Dodge Boys were beating his *** he never failed to bad mouth them.

JimR[/QUOTE]

The Dodge Boys deserved to be bad mouthed. They CHEATED to beat his *** and everyone else who was playing by the rules. Can you say NITROUS OXIDE ! Im surprised they were not hung by the rest of the Pro Stock group.

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Cracked cylinder gasket? What is that? Do you mean head gasket? First, how do you know that? Second, he ran as well that weekend as I had ever seen him run at that time. He was qualified well. I heard it bang on a couple of different start ups in his pit area that weekend. Leaking head gaskets will slow you down.

Everything Rusty Glidden did at that time has been looked at over and over. Do you really think everybody is too stupid to catch that now? Really? Evidently you don't actually go to national events and hang around the pro Stock pits. Other than Anderson's and Johnson's, guys are walking in and out of each other's pits all the time. Between rounds the scoop if laying right there in plain sight for everybody to see. The strut-type scoop mounts, which were supposeldy used to get the nitrous up to the scoop, are not used much anymore. Mike's is just held on with two dzus buttons, nothing else connected to the scoop. I go in his pits at any national events I run, and to his shop just outside of Tulsa here. There is NOTHING there!! I have watched Mike change engines at the track, even helped at times. There is NOTHING there!

Since you obviously know so much, just how much nitrous to you spray in one to only pick up one or two hundredths? Not tenths as one guy was saying, there aint no tenths in NHRA Pro Stock.

As far as Wayne County, nobody really knows. It does look very suspicious that they could never make it run again, and those blocks could have been repaired. I feel like there was something there, but I wont proclaim them cheaters because I don't know for sure.

Jerry Eckman? I don't think he should be allowed back in the gates. He actually crews a car right now.

If Mike wins again this week, he will the quiet squirels, sorry I meant quiet his detractors? How? Did you see how much faster he was last session? Guess the key board racers will think he sprayed it again? Probably.

It amazes me that so many will post crap about something have absolutely no knowlege.
I have opinions about the space shuttle, but...

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Catch Warren away from the races and he is nice. Very good sense of humor. He doesn't want to be bothered at the track. No doubt he needs to work on that. He also has no respect for anybody not building their own engines. I'm sure Mike is included in that. Doubt he will tell you Mike is spraying his, however. He seems to feel Allan Johnson's Dad is the only one out there his equal.

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Lets just say that cheating like the Dodge Boys was just like stealing. I have first hand knowledge about the Wayne County boys and where it was hidden. I also have knowledge about Rusy Gliddens (He was caught at Atlanta and caused problems in Bob and Ettas marrage.....Bob went ballistic) deal and how it was done. No BS just fact. When I was working for IHRA I was very close to the guy who actually caught the Dodge boys (at INDY) and NHRA made him keep it quiet and covered it up. He depended on me to help him a lot at IHRA National events back in the old days so he trusted me. The system was VERY stealth and required a LOT of work to install and hide. It required "Rifle drilling" the blocks, etc,He was for a time.......the head Tech director at IHRA ( he told NHRA to F##K off and quit) when the IHRA was based in Bristol Tenn. He also worked for the Mustang racing association after he quit the IHRA. Does that give you a clue of who Im talking about? I personally caught a similar system on a Pro Stock car at Bristol Tenn. like Rusty's set up. It was very small and mounted in the hood scoop then activated by R/Control at about the 1000 ft mark by a crew member. Don Gartlis once told me when he was still running Top Fuel "Show me a man who isnt cheating and I will show you a man who isnt winning". After 22 years with IHRA and 2 1/2 years with NHRA I could tell some stories you would not believe but I wont on this forum for reasons you should know already..

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This is the forth version I've heard, everybody has the inside scoop and the facts first hand. I don't know who is right, so I won't throw out any accusations.

Your Glidden story varies quite a bit from others I have heard. You sure Rusty was caught, and didn't just show it to them to prove it could be done?

NHRA officials and several racers saw Eckman's deal, so I have little doubt about that one.

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YEP.....why do you think his money man quit racing? This was before his divorce of course and a very long time ago. Things get "Clouded" over the years and NHRA hides the truth if it affects them. Can you say Wayne County !.

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i agree with you..........your story is the same as what i heard..

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Dosent matter anyway.....It was a long long time ago.