Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker.
 

It looks like the term Junior Stocker changed from year-to-year.
1966 D/Stock and up
1967 C/Stock and up
1968 F/Stock and up.
1969 G/Stock and up
1970 H/Stock and up
Seems like a 67' 302 Z-28 doesn't fit the bill as a Junior Stocker.but a 67' 327/275HP Camaro would.
PC

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We all ran together, so I'm not sure about those break points. At the time I think most considered Jr Stock as non-super Stock. That's how I remember it, but I'm old.

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Ed,
I think the last race that NHRA designated for Jr. Stock was the
66' World Finals.
In 63' it was at the Winternationals and Nationals.
In 64' only at the Nationals
In 65' All four major events had Jr. Stock Champion.
In 66' All four major events had it.
In 1967, it was changed to Stock Champion.
By all rights, in 1968 NHRA should have had a Top Stock class.
Classes A/S thru D/S (8.00-9.99 wt/hp), including AA/S
(7.50-7.99 wt/hp) for the Street Hemi, the very lightweight 62' Dodge/Plymouth 413/420HP, 63' Dodge/Plymouth 426/425HP and 64' Dodge/Plymouth 426/425HP steel body cars.
The 63' Dodge/Plymouth 426/415HP and 64' Dodge/Plymouth 426/415HP steel body cars in A/S.
* All Mopar aluminum cars should have been in Super/Stock only.
1966 327/350HP Chevy II Nova SS in B/S, along with the 66'/67' Chevelle 396/375HP cars
The Vette's should have been classed; 68' Vette with the 427/400HP in A/S, 67' Vette 427/400HP in A/S, 66' Vette 427/390HP in A/S, and the 66' Vette 427/425HP in AA/S.
And E/S thru I/S (10.00-12.49 wt/hp) for Middle Stock.
Junior Stock would start with the appropriate letter "J", for classes
12.50 wth/hp and above.
PC

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I still have a scar from when the Stanley "cheese grater" hit me on
the head while shaving the tires on my Uncles' '62 Plymouth wagon at E-town !! ...Talk about dangerous practices!! ..............The muffler deal was something too, 12" Thrush hanging from the back!.............Tom

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Yes,
Going back, very bizarre requirements.
Making the muffler system (attached), part of Stock Class.
How many mufflers and exhaust pipe systems went flying out from under the car. That rule should have been canned for safety purposes alone.
Exhaust pipes, mufflers and tail-pipes should have been optional, not mandatory.
Understanding, if your race car was your daily driver, how easy would it
have been, to un-bolt a set of 'Cherry Bombs' from the headers
(10 minutes 'tops'), and leave them on the ground, and not worry about having some rigged wiring or adjustable hangers dangling from the under-carriage, or worry about the exhaust pipe network or a tail-pipe with an expensive chrome-extension go flying out like some 'boomerang', as you went through the traps.
PC

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Back in the day some of those mufflers were hung near the rear of the car and "some how" weighed a lot more than stock mufflers.....lol.

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X-Tech,
Concrete-filled.:) or Lead-filled.
Maybe the exhaust system should have been allowed to be placed in the trunk.
Some of those 'special' mufflers required two-people to lift it in the trunk.
Of course, no one said there were legal 'silencers'.
See, thats why they should have allowed 9.25" slicks for the top stock classes (9.99 and under).
8" wide inch for middle stock, and 7" wide for junior classes.
More Traction,,,Please

Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker.
 

Both....Concrete and lead. I know it for a fact.....lol. Not to mention the spare tires that required at least two guys to take one out of the trunk. I knew of one spare tire that required an engine hoist to remove it and that was as late as around 1974.

Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker.
 

The BEST description for me of a 60's Jr. stocker is lots of inexpensive fun fun fun !

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X-Tech,
I think the Mid-West Farmer Junior Stockers filled the tires with Portland Cement Limestone
A little trick they used on the farm, to get better traction from the
John Deere Tractors. (148 lbs./ cubic foot)
Seems that the powder weighed a bunch, and filled nicely in one of those 7.75 x 14's.
I think the only way to get it out of the trunk, was like you you said, an engine hoist,,, or wait for the trunk panel to rot out:)
PC

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3600 pound 67 small block camaro had a 275 pound weight box behind the removed back seat backrest-the optional/legal 5/8 inch plate steel gas tank shield between the trunk floor and the top of the tank, and the 150 pound L60x15 spare tire on a steel rim filled with an assortment of starters/generators---by the way if I remember right shipping weight on my car at the time was 2885 pounds----- Comp 387

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FED,
My friends 67' Camaro 327/210HP 2-barrel was supposed to weigh
#2919 lbs. (NHRA specs). I think the 327/275HP should have been a
tad higher. He never found out the actual weight.
I remember it well, because it had a horrible weight break 13.90 wt/hp back-in-the-day. In 1968, he had to run in K/S, against those 1966' 283/220HP 4-barrel Chevy II Nova's,
1967' convertible Mustangs with the little 289/225HP 4-barrel, and a sneaky quick and light 1965 Ford Falcon Futura with a 289 2-barrel
Back when the whole class was running 15.90's. Fun and competitive, without breaking the bank!!!
PC

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Just in from the '1966' presses.
The last true NHRA 'Junior Stock' championship race.
The World Finals 1966.
Jay Hamilton in a 1958 Pontiac with a 370/338HP running in F/SA,
defeats Bill Abraham in a 1965 Pontiac GTO 389/360HP in B/S.
Jay came back with the same car in 1967, and won again with a
13.85 in E/SA. (Weight/bracket 11.30-11.88) But it was listed as 'Stock Champion', not Jr. Stock Champion.

Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker.
 

I don't remember NHRA ever calling it Jr Stock, just Stock Eliminator. Far as I know just magazines and some racers called it Jr. Stock. I never got a trophy labeled Jr. Stock Eliminator.

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I still have a plaque that says "Drag Times Jr. Stock Finalist" that I won in 1965 with my 426 street wedge Plymouth. Its not from NHRA but from the old Drag Times paper that came out every week covering the east coast drag strip results.

Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker.
 

That kinda blows the class cut-off idea out fo the water, doesn't it?
We all ran together, and were called Stock Eliminator by NHRA.

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This was from Aquasco Speedway that is closed now and I ran the "Cherry Buster" 57 Chev sedan delivery in the final. Tokyo Rose, Pop Kennedy, Gene Collins, and others were there and several other killer cars but it was my day I guess. A LOT red lighted or broke as I should have been beat before I even got to the track....lol. One in a million. Id rather be lucky than good as they say. It was a long time ago but its something I will never forget.

P.S. I just remembered the win money was HUGE and is why all of the killer cars were there. I picked up $100 and I only made $65 a week clear. I guess the Govt. noticed the big "windfall" because I was drafted into the the Army a few weeks later......lol. What a deal.

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Ed,
I know we were all called "Stockers" no matter where you were classed, from A/S to X/S.
But someone 'coined the phrase' "Junior Stocker".
At the 1962' NHRA Winternationals the term was first used, to describe a division of stock eliminator.
Clay Allen an old automobile writer of a Detroit paper, stated that some California drag strip (possibly Famoso) used the phrase to describe stockers that. "he stated," the track had 4 staging lanes, and after the first group of 'Top' stockers (A thru D) went through, the announcer called for the next group, E,F,G and H classes, and used the phrase "Okay, next up will be you Junior Stockers.
It was around 1961 or so. At that point, E/Stock had a weight bracket of 14.00+ (wt/hp). Not really the performance-minded vehicles.
The new 'hot ticket' in 1962 was the Chevrolet Impala SS 327/300HP, which fell into the 1962 NHRA class of C/Stock. In 1963, the phrase was more commonly used, and the new E/Stock (11.89-12.49 wt/hp bracket) seemed to be a starting point, and the base for the 1962 327/300HP Chevrolet. It was a big seller for Chevrolet, and the car was commonly found in every showroom across America. Basically, anyone could purchase one, an everyday driver and Junior Stock drag race car, without doing anything major to the car.
It sounds about right. Just a general term for middle stockers, or general everyday daily-driver cars turned into racers, with some mild old hot rodder tricks.
Remember too, in 1962 stock classes only went up to L/Stock, and only up to G/SA in automatic. And with the addition of the 327 engine to Chevrolet, along with the old staple 283 'dual-quads' nothing would be the same.
The 327 engine did 'strike a little fear' into other Junior Stockers, with the Impala SS, with HP options of 250HP and 300HP, and the deadly Vette with the 340HP and 360HP 'Fuelie".
PC

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Paul, it seemed to me it depends on who's doing the calling. Some magazine writer? Some anouncer? I don't think there is any "official" parameters to go by. Ask ten people and get close to ten answers.

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The 1964 NHRA Rule Book has a picture of Mike Schmitt's '64 Galaxie AA/SA listed as "Junior Stock Eliminator" for the previous season. He is listed as one of the "World Champions-1964". Gas Ronda is shown as "Top Stock Eliminator" with his Thunderbolt.

The back page of the 1966 NHRA Rule Book is a section titled "NHRA Eliminator Procedure" that lists "JR. STOCK Eliminator will consist of all class winners from B/S through O/S and B/SA through J/SA." (That's all the classes.)

The 1967 NHRA Rule Book lists only Super Stock Eliminator and Stock Eliminator. That is the first year for multiple Super Stock classes.

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Whats in a "Name" . With all of the short shifting , sliding the brakes and tires, pulled back timing, under rated HP factors and dumping at around 1000 ft to save your combo it should be called Bracket One or S/Pro......I bet that will "tune up" some on here.....LOL.

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I'm evidently too wet behind the ears to have been commenting on this, as 1967 was my first year traveling to WCS races. 1968 was my first national event, Pomona. Sorry, I'll shut up.

Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker.
 

Not so, Ed. You probably remember a bunch more than most of us. I think the confusion comes from there being no formal definition. The way NHRA used it in the early '60s is different than what I remember on the East coast and mid-South in the late '60s. I remember the name "Jr. Stock" referring to lower class cars that were not factory hot rods and were more affordable than new(er) high horsepower cars.

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X-Tech,
Your probably right. It's just a name. Not really a technical answer.
10 people would give 10 different answers.
And each year, with new cars produced, Junior Stock would change, along with the NHRA weight breaks and HP re-factoring:eek:.
The 1966 NHRA rule book at least stated something,
B/Stock thru O/Stock, and B/SA thru G/SA. "Jr. Stock Eliminator".
A True Junior Stocker "Assembly line produced and showroom sales available"
In 1967 (3 of the 4) of the Stock Eliminator National Event Champions were older cars (Jr. Stockers)
Winternationals * 60 Pontiac G/SA
Springnationals * 58' Pontiac E/SA
Wolrd Finals * 56 Chevy Wagon
pc