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Bruce Noland 08-13-2010 09:54 AM
Re: Looking for a ballot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 203929)
Please show up at the next race with your engine disassembled.Thank you.

The Management

Sounds like a plan.I'm in for either a suit or a new poll to membership.
Ed,

Going to court takes too much time and energy, not to mention money. Polls are a good tool to determine the interests of the racers but will have little or no effect on the issues at hand. There are much easier ways to deal with situations like this. Take Form 13909 for example, all you have to do is fill it out and file it electronically or print it out and mail it in. There is a box that can be checked and the name of the person submitting the form will be withheld. At this very moment, there are several agencies taking a long look at all motor sport not for profit organizations. There are other very simple options as well. There is no need to wrestle with these problems when there are people who get paid to do it and it won't cost you a dime.

Ed Fernandez 08-13-2010 10:44 AM
Re: Looking for a ballot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Noland (Post 203997)
Ed,

Going to court takes too much time and energy, not to mention money. Polls are a good tool to determine the interests of the racers but will have little or no effect on the issues at hand. There are much easier ways to deal with situations like this. Take Form 13909 for example, all you have to do is fill it out and file it electronically or print it out and mail it in. There is a box that can be checked and the name of the person submitting the form will be withheld. At this very moment, there are several agencies taking a long look at all motor sport not for profit organizations. There are other very simple options as well. There is no need to wrestle with these problems when there are people who get paid to do it and it won't cost you a dime.
Bruce,exactly what is form #13909?

A100 08-13-2010 11:18 AM
Re: Looking for a ballot.
 
I would bet the Gov would just jump right on something that happened almost 30 years ago.

FED 387 08-13-2010 11:31 AM
Re: Looking for a ballot.
 
FORM #13909 is a US Dept of Treasury Complaint form regarding Tax Exempt Organizations--Comp 387

Bruce Noland 08-13-2010 12:39 PM
Re: Looking for a ballot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 204009)
Bruce,exactly what is form #13909?
Ed,
Google Form 13909

A100,
You are wrong on both points. 1.) There are many current issues with the tax exempt status of this organization, so we really don't have to go back 29 years. But we did anyway and it turned out to be a very rewarding exercise 2.) The agencies are very interested in this issue.

It takes time and persistence to get our membership rights restored - we have plenty of both. More to come!

Ed Fernandez 08-13-2010 06:34 PM
Re: Looking for a ballot.
 
I hope this doesn't turn into a "be careful what you wish for" situation.For all the talk in the past I would hate to see "Daddy Warbucks" Bruton Smith wind up with NHRA.
Would it be in our best interest for a Bill Bader takeover?I don't know that much about him,just what I've read here.

Bruce Noland 08-13-2010 08:27 PM
Re: Looking for a ballot.
 
The members are the real owners of nhra. In the months or years to come it will be the members responsibility to make the important decisions. Once again, there will be voting class members and non voting class members. The voting class members should include all members with a competition number. An open web site could detail all the issues and voting results. I'm sure there will be lots of polling as well.

Ed Fernandez 08-13-2010 10:48 PM
Re: Looking for a ballot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Noland (Post 204095)
The members are the real owners of nhra. In the months or years to come it will be the members responsibility to make the important decisions. Once again, there will be voting class members and non voting class members. The voting class members should include all members with a competition number. An open web site could detail all the issues and voting results. I'm sure there will be lots of polling as well.
With a system like that,let the games begin.
Bruce PM me if you can about the flattie.

X-TECH MAN 08-15-2010 09:55 AM
Re: Looking for a ballot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 204084)
I hope this doesn't turn into a "be careful what you wish for" situation.For all the talk in the past I would hate to see "Daddy Warbucks" Bruton Smith wind up with NHRA.
Would it be in our best interest for a Bill Bader takeover?I don't know that much about him,just what I've read here.
Believe me.....Bill Bader would be about 1000% better than Bruton Smith.

Sean Kennedy 08-17-2010 02:08 PM
Re: Looking for a ballot.
 
I'm hesitant to post this but oh well....

Let's say, after your research is said and done, that the vote turns out to be legal. My next question is this, nobody here seems to remember a vote, and those that do seem to remember voting no.

Would it not be possible to bring litigation against NHRA and force them to prove the validity of this supposed 'vote'.

Bruce Noland 08-17-2010 05:55 PM
Re: Looking for a ballot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy (Post 204690)
I'm hesitant to post this but oh well....

Let's say, after your research is said and done, that the vote turns out to be legal. My next question is this, nobody here seems to remember a vote, and those that do seem to remember voting no.

Would it not be possible to bring litigation against NHRA and force them to prove the validity of this supposed 'vote'.
Sean,

At this point in time it is fair to say that nhra did send out a letter with new bylaws and a ballot in February of 1981. nhra claims that the members voted for the measure. And from that vote nhra executives took complete control of the organization and wiped out the members' rights.

This maneuver in 1981 and another one in 2005 have been researched by several serious lawyers and determined to be deeply flawed and illegal. They also say the Bylaws are illegal and subject to the Continuing Violation Doctrine.

No need to take them to court. This problem will be examined by more than one agency. So we'll just sit back and wait for the dust to settle.

We believe the members rights will eventually be restored.

Jim Wahl 08-18-2010 12:33 AM
Re: Looking for a ballot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 203737)
That interview with Carl Olsen took place in the early 90s.Fast forward to 2010.What worked then certainly hasn't worked in the 21st century.
They had a grip on the rules then,the economy was going along fine,multi crew teams weren't here yet,the payouts and contingency weren't rock bottom yet and Olsen was a master of understatement and smoke and mirrors in his assessment of the transition.
Soooooo,basically we (sportsman racer in general) got screwed for the benefit of the pros and the upper management of NHRA.That's how I interpret the situation.
Well put Ed. Jim

Jim Wahl 08-18-2010 12:36 AM
Re: Looking for a ballot.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Noland (Post 203821)
Mike,
nhra is currently a 501(c)(6) tax exempt organization, however, it has several serious problems with prohibited activities for this exemption.

When we look at nhra we should be looking at the four men who currently "own" nhra. Dallas Gardner, Tom Compton, Peter Clifford and Graham Light. Along with being current/former paid employees of nhra they are the Board of Directors. Most of us should have no problems with nhra. It's the leadership of nhra that has created all the issues that we now face.
Also well said. Jim

Bob Don 08-18-2010 07:30 AM
Re: Looking for a ballot.
 
I was a member at the time and I only vaguely recall a letter and ballot. I looked through my old stuff and found nothing. My guess is that I threw it in the circular file. If I find anything I'll post it.


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