Re: How to Improve S/G, S/C, S/St
 

Let this thread die ,please.

Re: How to Improve S/G, S/C, S/St
 

Step 1)

Drop each class one full second. Almost all S/C dragsters can run 7.90, almost all S/G cars can run 8.90. (some S/St cars may be out of luck with 9.90 though).

Step 2)

Take away computerized throttle stops.

To hit the indexes, tune each vehicle's performance with A) timing; B) weight; C) shift points; D) mechanical throttle stops - adjustable bolt under the throttle pedal; or E) restrictor plates. But no timers of any sort. Not throttle stop timers, nitrous timers, or even shift timers.

The top end stop idea isn't really workable. I am on the stop 3.0 seconds. If I could only use a top end stop I think I'd be off the throttle within 5.0 seconds (1/8th mile) coasting for the next 4.9 seconds. Surely that's even a worse show than you get now?

Or maybe NHRA Unleashed replaces stock/superstock/supergas/superstreet and replaces it with true no-electronics index racing from 8.50 - 13.00. (that would never happen, right? Or could it......)

Re: How to Improve S/G, S/C, S/St
 

Question, how do you do this with eight throttle plates on V/8 fuel injection system?

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[QUOTE=ray sowers;205176]Question, how do you do this with eight throttle plates on V/8 fuel injection system?[/QUOTEGood question and i don't have an answer. Someone else on here may know the answer .

Re: How to Improve S/G, S/C, S/St
 

Some people have all the answers

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Chebby 2 we don't have all the answers, this is the reason for this post. I promise to sit through a complete round of S/G and S/C at Indy this year. I'll let you know if I could go through a second one.CR

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Look at it this way it will still be a finish line driving fest for the win most of the time. If you have t/s or not, big mph or not. If you do away with the t/s you will still have cars (holding a pretty good amount) and still getting rid of it at the finish line or before. Look at s/ss qualifying ,most of that is 1,000 ft racing, How do you think the fans like that. They probably ask questions such as why do these cars seem to shut off or run out of fuel before they can get to the 1/4 mile. Maybe thats why a lot of fans don't watch them as well. It just ain't like it used to be and never will . Ok ,give me HE!! for this post ,but it is true in my eyes.

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I can't disagree with you about S/SS one of problem class have to watch out for. Last year at Indy nearly everyone was shutting off at the 1000' nobody wants to show their hands. I would be back in Super Gas in two second if you took the advantage that Timer, big motor and throttle stops were banned. When you can spend close to 35k and more for just a motor you have a problem. I do not want to turn back to the past but we are at a cross road, can you afford to compete if you're out spent. Ed De Staute was the last winner with a no timer with his Corvette, not many since. maybe leave Super Gas and Super Comp the way it is but control S/ST for an entry level. CR

Re: How to Improve S/G, S/C, S/St
 

why ??????

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Piedmont Dragway has a class they one twice a month on Thursday nights that is 7.49 index 1/8 mile, no stops, no transbrakes, no anything, five tenths pro tree no deep staging. This class has between 15 and 25 cars on a THURSDAY night. The attendance is up on these nights when this class runs. Its side by side racing and even going that slow the fans enjoy it. When we were there myself and our other announcer made these guys into local hero's and it was all enjoyed.

Herb Jr

To answer the question, no stops, and make it no delay boxes as well if you want to put the driver back in the seat.

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I think we could all agree that the fans don't like it. SSGN and JimR have good ideas. Another idea could be to have a break out MPH as well, that would eliminate some of the holding and keep the cars a little closer down track. I think that would also reduce the cost to compete, you would'nt need a T/S car that runs 170+ in S/G. Run your T/S car in T/S. Just a nice backhalf car with a mild big block could run S/G and a backhalf small block could run S/ST...affordable! More wheel stands like the S/S cars and Stockers. Did you ever notice how many fans watch at the starting line as opposed to the finish line. It's about 99%, that's where the neat stuff is happening, the burnout, the tree, the hole shot, THE WHEEL STANDS, and going thru the gears! That's where the fans are, and that's where the Super classes cut the motor off. That's like you and your girl friend gettin all hot and bothered, strippin down, .401 bulb, gettin ready for action, and she starts puttin her clothes back on....that's throttle stop sex! It sucks too! Race like you like your sex...WFO. You and everybody that watches you will enjoy it more. Now you will have more competitors, more fans, and more of your money! Whats not to like?

Wade Mahaffey

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And this is coming from a S/G racer who is now going Super Stock racing ! Well said Wade. I personally feel the minimum weights are also a waste of time. If the car was built to run a certain number why worry about how little it weighs especially with S/ST and H/R on a 5 tenths tree ?

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Wade best anology, you should be a Teacher(would love to see the parents faces when little Johnny explain where he learn to be so bright) You get a ten. I hope you won't mind if I appropriate your explanation as my own. Let me know where I have to send the money order. 90's section also started a segment on how to improve racing in the 90's style class racing, so we know that there is a problem. I would love to come back to S/G, I wan to build my own motors but I know my limit 600 horse is my limit where I still can build something that won't break apart like an I.E D.CR

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just a quick question, why are they .90 classes?
why not make 'em 10 flat or 9 flat AT ANY ALTITUDE?
just curious, i have no intention of running a throttle stop car (a rambler with a throttle stop would be redundant ;) )

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How many people compete each year in SuperComp and SuperGas compared to Stock and SuperStock?

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Just the ones who cant make a car go quick and fast without building/buying and installing a 500 + inch engine in a fly weight car.

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Don't be mocking stockers. The rules keep them from going quick or fast. Duh.

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Lol..............

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After watching all of the qualifying round at Indy and at the Div 1 Englishtown meet. I have to say that you didn't have to have a thousand HP but it helped. I was quite entertained by the close racing and didn't see many people leave their seats on Friday at Indy. First round was very enjoyable. Most racer have no problem with the timers and some traditionalist want to return to no delay. I was wrong, no biggy here since I'm wrong most of the time. Claude

Re: How to Improve S/G, S/C, S/St
 

Super class cars are BRACKET cars and bracket cars belong on the LOCAL level NOT at national events.

M68

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That should have NEVER been allowed. Why? BECAUSE fans are supposed to be watching a RACE, i.e., an all-out run from start to finish not bullsh*t, bracket racing antics where the end justifies the means.

M68

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SPICE UP the throttle stop classes by putting them together in ONE class !!
Some heads up and some handicapped runs !!! The worst handicap would only be TWO seconds if a S/ST and a S/C lined up ! :-)

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Sounds like stock and super stock dosent it.

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Mr M68.....Lets use our real names here.....

You seem to have a problem with super classes......take it to the super class forum....We would be happy to talk about it there......there are far too many issues with Stock and Super Stock to even start on the super classes (who don't seem to have many issues).....I have both...and I like both....

it would be interesting to see your competence in a super class car.....

Rock Haas
323 SS/DA
302 S/G

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M68 I started this thread on the belief I knew better but after Indy I have to say that I enjoyed the racing, I would still enjoy it better to see an all out run but just like any type of racing you have to give it a chance. I saw many runs in S/G and S/C that were old school and they did quite well, using a timer, now timing station has become a science that is hard to put aside after serving you well. I've decided to join the dark side and I'm looking for a dragster to go with my stocker. It will be an old school type 427 aluminum head with pg. I can see the sharks licking their lips now, fresh meat.lolClaude Ruel

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I think if everybody knew how involved it is to run one of these cars well...they would think a little differently...

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Come on Rock,it's so easy a squirrel can do it.:>):>):>)

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Come on Ed , the other night you told me it was a blind pig!!!.........Funny thing on Sat nite, I had an unbelivable number of S/SS racers come up and congratulate me on my win,in S/G!!.....Tom

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Actually it was a one eyed Bulgarian,ballet dancer with hemorrhoids.All those people congratulating you were most likely the people you've wound out fixing something for at the track.You never seem to get time to work on your own stuff.I can never thank you enough what you do for me.Congtats again to you and Cath.and Holly.

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I'm with Nitro Joe, put a stick shift in them.

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That's because they know how hard it is to win.......Great job Tom......

Even a blind squirrel can win once in a while......Ed...lol

Rock

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How could anyone ever expect to win in one of these classes without a t/stop and a timer ?? Everyone knows that you HAVE to have big MPH to
win! :D C'mon guys, if you lower the 10.90 index to 10.50, I'll have to buid a new engine. I guess I'll have to convert it to a Super Stocker.

Eddie Bolton

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The day they take timers out of the class will be the day I give a damn about the super classes again. And it would be an attractive, competitive class to go race in.

Unfortunately, most of the current super racers would probably bail. Ingenuity would trump $$$ and MPH.

They like their little drag racing country club environment, I don't think they want anyone messing with it.

Re: How to Improve S/G, S/C, S/St
 

now that's funny,
they think we cant drive either!

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He's gone way beyond "removing all doubt".....

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Come to a divisional and attend one of Uncle Buck/George Donhauser's Fri nite cookouts.Great food,beer,good cigars AND great people.Even a sourpuss like you would have a good time.:>):>):>)

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"A one eyed Bulgarian,ballet dancer with hemorrhoids"

Ed which eye is bad? I would recommend some Preperation H! He/She or It ought to be able to get some with instructions for use written in Bulgarian......


Ed you need a hobby....

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Doc,this is it.
The Prep H is to put in the good eye.