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Ain't that the truth, they built boss 302's for many years and even stuck a 2bbl head/intake on the 200 and 250 6 cyl's! Oddball bosses too based on stroker 302 and 351 blocks. I forget the year but i remember seeing a mid 80's boss 302 falcon, I thought, "if only that was here".

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I agree about the BOSS 302 or if youve ever heard of the 302 Clevelands they built and other stuff lol imagine trying to factor that stuff in Stock lol

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Bob ...I am right behind you at 4350 (min 4300 for G/PS) with my 1995 ImpalaSS. If lightened 4000 or 4060 for F/PS or K/SA

Have a 1994 Caprice Wagon that would fall in H/PS at 4600/4650.
Or O/SA in regular Stock.

We do stick to the track better!

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Hey Bender, I'm bringing this one back for you!

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Rules procedure for heavy race car:
1. Research and build the car
2.Don't tell anyone.
3.Enter it's first race,make qualifying pass.
4. Weigh the car after first pass.
5.Break the scale.
6.If scale doesn't break, add more weight.

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and let us not forget the latest and most outrageous!?!

2017 Dodge Hellcat A/S, A/SA @ 4970!!!

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Kinda off the subject, but anyone remember Paul Longeneker's 1960 Pontiac station wagon that ran F Gas circa 1971 in Division3. I seem to recall it had 'Longeneker & Lingenfelter' on the side of the car, it was a stock metallic brown with a white top. Paul told me they got about 25-30 runs on a ring and pinion!

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427 Chevy and a Dana 60 rear end.

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A trailer killer was the only car to beat my Q/SA Chevy C10 truck in a heads up race. Ron Leach's Caddie with the big V8 rolled on by at top end. That car was so big it made my truck look like a S10. Then we went to work on the truck

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WOW!

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Wow, and I thought my brothers 1958 283 Chevy IHRA production SS/JA Yeoman wagon was a tank at 3839 lol. It got open trailered all over the south behind a C-30 454 Chevy.

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I remember a long time ago talking to a guy at Bristol that ran a Fairlane wagon in B/Stock with a 427 and a stick. It was baby blue and looked just like my Moms grocery getter. He said he was trying to get an axle company to use him as proof of the quality of their product but no one would guarantee axles for him.

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We had a few locals here in East Texas/SW Ar/NW LA. That ran heavy combos. There was a guy out of Shreveport that ran a late 60's Black Biscayne with a BBC in it. I think his name was Sammy?? saw him a lot in Shreveport and Haynesville La.
Racing over at Hallsville, Whitehouse and I-20 there was the Big Pontiac of Hays Adkinson.
Howard Stainfield had a 283 powered Chevelle wagon that was no lite weight.

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How about a G/S '62 Impala station wagon, 380 horse 409, made the 11 pound weight break. Probably would break every thing else, as well. Also, how about a '66 Impala 9 passenger wagon, 283/220 horse in T/SA,4350 with driver. No problem hooking that one up anywhere.

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Greg, It's "only" 4236 now..Rocket ship!
I ran mine at 4130 with a Muncie 4 speed.
I never tried trailering it, and wouldn't want to .
Cross country on a C30 flatbed..No problem.

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Speaking of breaking, a friend way back in the day had a 64 409-425 Maroon Impala. He picked every junkyard within 100 miles for rears and half shafts, bought two or three of each when he went looking. This was on skinny tires of the day

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2010 Camaro with
the LS3 is a bit of a porker in D/SA at 4215!!!

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its too bad NHRA won`t help them with horsepower, and they are just about obsolete.I can`t imagine there are enough people who have interest in building them, for it to be a problem. Its a shame. Ray runs the nostalgia series and has fun.

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That white '62 is cool, but it has the dual 4 barrel 409 horse engine in it. Must be refactored to get it into G. The 380 horse I was thinking about was the single four barrel hi po engine released in '62 only. 63-65 engines were red at 400 horse at the factory, but the 62 380 was the same engine.

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How 'bout a 68 Caprice Estate wagon with a 427/425 horse? What class does that monstrous thing fit and what does it weigh?

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It's @ 370 all '62 models . You can thank Denny Ford

Go here, and you guys won't have to guess all the time:
http://www.classracerinfo.com/
-39 h.p. from NHRA is a fair amount of help, I'd say.
Still too heavy for G/Stock.
Ray and Dennis built that car when there wasn't many good tires around, no 3 to 1 first gears, etc. , plus the record was in the 13's. Also , there wasn't a Camaro in every possible class.
You'd break that think in half trying to be competitive in G/Stock , in today's world.

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I saw they gave them end of year HP help.They should give them another 20hp and whatever the 62 Fords need too.
Not sure if the Mopar needs help, but why not help all the old iron?
So few of them left. Let them race!
MJ

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We've got an old thread for that too Mike! I'll bring it back to the top!

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Thanks Billy

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And WON the 409 shootout in Bowling Green this past year with Tim Tassmer driving !!! :D

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I don't think Mr 413 needs any help

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Don't worry. He's not getting any more. ;-)

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Lets not forget the Pontiac's...
http://georgeklass.net/ss.html

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wow !what a scrap book, I like lebannon valley photos ! nice job

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Mike in the specs it looks like they have upped the '62 380 HP 409 to 400 HP in '63 and allowed the optional carb and optional big cam from the 62. ..
Something interesting is the '62 380 HP-409 is factored @ 365 NHRA HP and the 2X4 409 HP-409is factored @ 370 NHRA HP.
The 1963 engines with the same engine specs are rated at a 400 HP ( 365 NHRA) and 425 HP ( 385 NHRA)
All are Stick shift... Wouldn't the 1962 409 HP 409 with 2x4's be the one to run? (370 NHRA Factored)

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I guess a few persons wanted to check out the specs on the 409- the original cam in a '62 380 or 409 horse engine ended in part #930, it had .439" lift on both valves.It was a carryover from the small port '61 360 horse 409. A running change was the 3830690 cam, it had .507 intake lift, .519 exhaust lift. NHRA let you use it without any horsepower penalty. The '63 engine used the same cam, but it didn't seem to get a horsepower break, the engine was rated at 400 horsepower or 425 horsepower. The only difference between the '62 hi po 409 and the '63 was the chrome valve covers, air cleaner, and dipstick,and the '63 cast iron exhaust manifolds were a cast iron header that did work better than the 2 1/2" outlet rams horns on the '62 motor, but you wouldn't use either one on a race car. The '62 engine and car is the one to build.The two engines allow the OEM head, the #690 casting, with the #583 head as a legal replacement. The 583 came on the '64 400 and 425 horse engine and the '65 400 horse engine. Only difference was that the valve spring seats were deepened and taller valve springs were used on that head to eliminate coil bind and to enhance spring life. They are more rare than the 690 heads. Have fun rounding up all these parts, and building these engines!! Oh,yes, the dual 4 barrel intakes are the same for all years.

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it looks like the one, Adger. I think they all need charity, after all, these are obsolete pieces, including 55-57 Chevy's, Fords, etc. If people have this stuff laying around, why not entice them to bring it back out. I don`t see any harm. Maybe I`m wrong, but it looks like it could be done with the stroke of a pen. Like Billy said in another post, Local Track owners would love it.
MJ

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All of those two-piece drive shafts: Did those things last at all?

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No.

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They were gone after 1960 in Pontiacs.
You could ask Denny Ford or Aubrey Bruneau about the Chevys.
I don't see where they would be a big problem in today's Stock Eliminator world.

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Mark,
Do you remember Don Scinto`s Pontiac wagon?
I only heard stories. Ran Super Stock, because you could change the small cam out of the low HP 389?
Perhaps you could elaborate
MJ

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1958 to 1964 were the X bodies.
1965 to 1976 got the larger H-Body

1977 to 1996 GM stayed with the 1964 GTO/Chevelle chassis design.
Malibu's became Impala/Caprice//Bonneville/Roadmaster/Caddy/Olds
The Wagons had the Boxed Frames.
Police Packages got the all the Chassis attach points bolted.

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1970 Chevrolet Sta Wag 3S Kingswood Estate w/TH with 390 HP 454 Cu In Engine at 4943 lbs for H/SA.
1971 Chevrolet Sta Wag 3S Kingswood Estate w/TH with 365 HP 454 Cu In Engine at 5280 lbs for M/SA.

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Don`t recall what it had to weigh in at, but 15-20 years ago, Jeff Davidson raced a early 70s Olsmobile Vista Cruiser station wagon here in Div.6, in SS/MA. To run that low of a class designation with a 455 cube engine , she had to be rather porky!

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another one for shelter-in-place discussion!