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How does a book published in 1987 include a "recent study"?

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Cough Syrup will do it.

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so a guy goes out to dinner has a few drinks and hes a dirtbag? GET REAL................................

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Maybe not as funny as you would think. Say you had a car that was barely qualifying or not qualifying and you saw someone who had one of the top qualifiers at a restaurant/bar and he was consuming his share.........would it not be tempting to put a bug in an NHRA official's ear? So you're random testing is not so random.............. I'm just sayin'

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I disagree with this statement. I was pulled for a random testing at Pomona a few years back (they gave me the notice in the staging lanes before one of our qualifying runs). When I reported for duty, there was a NHRA official having to do the same thing. I was told by the medical personnel that their testing pool involved all racers and employees.

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Lots of chemicals used at the races contain substances that can cause readings. Brake cleaners(declorinated of course) can be absorbed thru the skin or inhaled. Many types of cleaners. The brake cleaner is alcohol under pressure. As mentioned breath mints along with mouth washes and countless other products will produce goofy readings.

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My thoughts exactly! That would be one way for NHRA to eliminate 1/4 of the pesky Sportsman cars though after taking our money! :)

Jay

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I got selected at Winternationals in '94. I haven't had a can of beer since I was 18, so it became a big joke around the guys who knew me there, so we went to the trailer, breathed in the machine and gave a pee sample, which was put into two sample vials and sent to two labs. The whole thing took less than 20 minutes, I never heard a word of follow up later, and the whole thing is just part of racing. It didn't offend me, insult me, nor did I take it personally.I had 24 hours to respond, but we went right after the second of our two time trials that day. I sure enough let everybody know that they were out there and randomly selecting racers, and to be careful of that. Years earlier, while bracket racing at OCIR, someone I knew had a habit of smoking a joint in his car in the lanes to calm down and focus on the tree. I don't remember him red lighting too often,either.

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I assume this post won't last long but ... I just can not hold back

Bruce you are way out of line as the Moderator - you are suppose to censor posts like yours

Egregious, stupid, irresponsible, uncalled for slander and liable

Free speech does not give you the right (especially as the moderator of this forum) to say what ever you want - when ever you want - where ever you want

If the administrator of this forum does not take swift action and reprimand you I hope the Johnson's get word of your remarks and pursue public and legal action against you and this forum

Clean up this act

I am positive you have no first hand knowledge about what you said - I don't believe you are on a first name basis with Allen

I doubt you even know him but if you do go apologize for what you said

OK - I am going to post this - even though I think it will not be met with fair even handed reasonable rational action

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Hey Andys Dad, I don't really see anything wrong with what Bruce said in his post and if you knew Bruce and I you would know that we don't agree on many things. If he blew an .024 AND you drop .02 for every hour that you don't have a drink AND he waited 11 hours then he must have been pretty well slammed. At least slammed beyond "social drinking".
I don't know the man so I don't know if he has a problem or not but I wouldn't want to race him first round.

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Bruce said "The most important point from this episode is that Johnson has a drinking problem. There is no other explanation for him to take such an unprofessional risk."

I find that offensive

But who really cares

Right

BTW - I thought everyone knows I am Ron Durham Andy Durham's Dad

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Remember the on-going issue Nascar is having with Jeremy Mayfield. He said he took something for allergies and it cost him his career. It has been fighting this for almost 2 years and it cost him every dime he made racing.

I enjoy watching Allen race and I would hate to see a misunderstanding take a good racer out of the field. I hope they clear this up.

Innocent until proven guilty.. only works in common law..

NHRA has it's own rules and does not have the presumption of innocence and doesn't have to. Now the onus is on Johnson to prove NHRA wrong and that might cost him his career an I'm sad for him if that happens.

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I did not see any thing in his statement That made it sound like he was fighting it. As far as him having a drinking problem all this tells us is he went out and drank once. If he would have waited 5 hours to show up no one would have known.

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hell if he would have waited an hour it wouldn't have

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What part of my post are you disagreeing with? Or are you disagreeing just to disagree?

S0371f, DuI's are usually a good indicator that a person is not in control of his good senses or of his alcohol consumption for that matter.

Andy's Dad, Johnson said he drank a few and most folks agree that he was using poor judgement. Why would a man take a chance on embarrassing himself, family, sport and sponsor with alcohol? And if he didn't have a problem with alcohol before, it has created one for him now.

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Well if you read my post I guess you would see the statement I disagreed with, as I quoted you.

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I have read it two times.

Your words: "I disagree with this statement."

The remaining portion of your post doesn't tell us what you disagree with in my post. It simply recounts an experience you had at a race. Why don't you try reading my post. Then try to square your post with mine.

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Man, you are way, way over the top here. Nobody is going to remove this post. I hope it stays on forever. I am a moderator here. That does not mean that I don't or can't have my own opinion. Think of me as the gardner who pulls the weeds. There is no freedom of speech on any of these sites. We post according to the rules. And it's not slander to point out that a person is having problems with booze. Feel free to PM me anytime. Or just blast away and I'll kindly respond.

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Bruce,
I don't care either way, but, are we to assume that you never part take of a cold beer every now and then ? I didn't like ya comment either.

Most sane people I know do that to relax after a big day, yea, he made a bad decision to go test early, probably the major downfall. I, and all of us have made some of those bad decisions in our lives. Was the testing flawed? We'll never know !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FORGET ABOUT IT.

PARTY ON !!!!!!!

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Bernie,

No, I don't drink.

Yes, most of us have made at least one dumb mistake.

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How long can that go on for before you have to test them?

If one we're to belch evey 10 minutes for 8 hours.....Is that really gonna prevent a person from talking a test? Just saying...When does that threshold stop?

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.027, thats border line hammered isint it. .08 in louisiana will get u a sweet dui. im so glad nhra didnt send me an invite when i raced.:eek:

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also, whats the final penalty against him. i hope not one race.

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Jason if that were to go on and on I would take the subject to the hospital and get a blood sample. Ed

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ok seriously you think I guy has two cocktails with dinner makes him an alcky? Not a chance. most states dui is .08. Johnson blew a .027, not the .27 that was reported by nhra.com. .027 ain't jack. a double shot of jack is more than .027 and I can promise you one double shot of jack ain't gonna impare me one bit. He's a much bigger guy than I am. If he had a mixed drink, like he says, and that was it, .027 seems more likely. I'm pretty sure .27 theyd take drastic measures. there is a VAST difference in .27 and .027. If he was 1.27 that would indicate a drinking problem. OBVIOUSLY, the guys been around for more than one of these. if he had a drinking problem this wouldn't be the first of these incidents. For the record, sucking on a certs don't work, nor does sucking a penny, lol

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Wow!!! This statement crosses the boundary to the legal definition of libel.

People have a right to not have false statements made about them that will hurt their reputation. Unless you know and have evidence that he has a drinking problem, although not a crime, still, you can be sued in a court of law under the defamation law by the means of a tort or civil wrong.

Your statement meets all the elements that a court would consider and known as single publication rule: Statement, Published, Injurious, Unprivileged and False. You also refer to him specifically, it was published to others, and that some injury, as to reputation, can occur that gives him a right to recover damages.

He did admit and disclosed his lack of judgment; however, in no way or form he declared he had a drinking problem and that is were your statement crosses the line. I know of many racers and even officials having drinks during dinner; nevertheless, I do not rush to ascertain and/or give a verdict of their character or reputation.

IAs regards to your response to Andy’s Dad and Julie, I can perceive some arrogance and conceit on your part as the Moderator of this site.

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To do a proper legal test, I believe you must do TWO tests at approximately and no less than a twenty minute interval.

Peter

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Nice try at lawyer'n. But sounds like you are grinding an old axe from prior debates or watching too much TV. Pointing out that a person has an alcohol problem after he has been busted is not libel. My post was not libelous so you can get off that tired old horse. You "perceive arrogance and conceit" on my part. Pray tell where you came up with that in my posts. Please explain.

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You said - "most folks agree that he was using poor judgment."

That is your arrogance

Where do you get your information?


Oh I forgot you do have the very socially significant and important position of moderator of this forum.

I can say you do not have enough gumption to even bend a little and say “maybe you spoke without thinking or that maybe you could have been just a little "over the top" as you put it.

I really appreciate your ability to "man up" and admit when you are wrong - rather than just continuing to make others wrong

BTW

You have a right to your opinion when you keep it to yourself but you do not have a right to publicly denigrate anyone in the name of free speech when you do not know the facts about what you are saying

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Kenny,freeze this thread.It's really getting ridiculous now.

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The STANDARD established by NHRA is ZERO alcohol, verified by random testing. If you choose to drink on a race weekend, and a great many of us do, you run the risk of not meeting the standard! I am not a Doctor or a trained test administrator, but I DO know what ZERO means. If I don't drink, I don't have to guess how long the alcohol will take to dissipate in my system. So why chance it? I'm also not a lawyer, but on this one particular weekend, alcohol was a problem for HIM. I saw the interview that Mr. Johnson gave on ESPN yesterday, and I can only imagine how badly he feels, because his tears looked real. We'll have to wait and see if anything positive comes from this incident. Maybe someone else will just "say No!" when tempted to drink (or drug) during a race weekend, knowing that NHRA is willing and able to enforce its standards.

Lew

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Ron, and to everyone else that keeps bringing up that Bruce being moderator some how negates his opinion.

Bruce has a right to his opinion, and for the record, a moderator enforces the rules of Class Racer. They do not give up the right to post there opinion when they become a moderator.

I see nothing libel about his posts, and unless Allen Johnson contacts me to remove this thread, I see no reason why it should not stay.

Ken Miele

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Not trying to “lawyer'n” as you imply. Nevertheless, when in a public forum you make statements such as an individual has a drinking problem without any proof and/or evidence, how would you define it?

By the way, he was not busted. He failed a randomly provided test. Failing such a test is not enough for you to determine an individual’s character. I recognize that due to his exposure, he is held to a higher standard. However, he admitted to his indiscretion and never said he had a drinking problem. If he had admitted to a drinking problem, then you had the right to say and post your statement.

It does not matter if it was a Pro racer, Sportsman racer or NHRA Staff member, anyone can fail the test due to an indiscretion.

I find interesting the FAA’s alcohol violation threshold for pilots is a blood alcohol level content of 0.040. Yes, I recognize we are not racing airplanes. Nevertheless, by the FAA guidelines, at 0.027 he was not impaired to fly a commercial airliner full of passengers.

For your edification, I do not watch too much TV or prior debates. In my line of business and industry, we deal all the time with such issues as libel and slander, and it has gone both ways; on our part and also from customers and the competition. They have ended with public retractions and many times included financial liability.

As regards to your arrogance, I fully understood Julie’s statement. All she conveyed is the fact she has seen NHRA personnel being subject to the random testing. However, you continued asking her what she was trying to say.

As regards to Andy’s Dad, we all know the rules on posting and we recognize your position as moderator, however, you do not have to keep empowering yourself.

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When i was racing i would never drink a drop all weekend I wanted to maintain all the energy and concentration I could.I dont know what hole some u guys crawled out from Hes a sponge it is what it is~~~

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Guys this thread is about Johnson's drinking and not my pointing out he had a problem with booze. Sorry you are so upset about the word busted but I think it applies here just like a guy who is busted in tech for bogus parts.

Also, the gentleman in question issued public statements that said he had put down a "few" the night before. Most people in the "real" world agree that drinking the night before racing is just plain stupid. Maybe you guys do it all the time; providing you are actually racers.

Julie said she disagreed with my statement and then failed to state what she disagreed with. You're showing real bias when it comes to this post because she is the one who initiated the disagreement issue. I simply asked what she was disagreeing with.

It's all over the Internet now. There are probably much stronger comments out there than the one I made. Good luck with the phony libel deal. And the phony anger for that matter.

You guys can play with this thing all you want but it won't change the facts.

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I think the main thing to come out of this and I'm sure many have done the same thing is that ZERO TOLERANCE means NO drinking of alcoholic beverages will be tolerated by NHRA no matter who you are. If you wanna drink A BEER ,ONE NO MORE THAN ONE beer you'll probably be OK really should not do that either---Ya wanna do more than that you're gonna be sorry--- That's all there is to this. Does not matter if you are Allen Johnson, Glidden, Jeggie, Westcott, Manzo,Bernstein or whoever they are testing and if you get caught you're gonna be in trouble cuz they are gonna watch ya from now on---End of story--------- Comp 387

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You are completely missing the point. He blew an .027 in the morning which means his BAC was .20 - .25 the night before. In order to be at that level, he had a lot more than a few drinks with dinner.

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We are all allowed to have an opinion -- however all he admitted to was having drinks with dinner ..........and yet some here insist he has a drinking problem - a fact that has yet to been proven .Hang 'em high ??? Not just yet ...........

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I havent heard/seen this much crap said about someone even when Tom "Condom" was caught DUI in a low life section of Calif.

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For a libel case you need to show damages. And I don't think anyone could prove any.
But the fact that all these posts in this thread about something that does not concern anyone on here. I can tell you that I knew a few Pro drivers that took a drink before every round.
The reaction to this borders on Stupid. It's simple math he got caught that's it
How this can go this many pages. Shows me that all the ranting about the new cars will not be heard by anyone that can make a difference. And if they do see it they won't take it seriously.