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"Roll Control" that one almost made me laugh!

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There are V-10 Vipers legal in Stock. But I can't imagine this V-10 making the weight break in Stock, especially with the "OEM" "roll control".

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I think you are correct Finespline. You mean to tell me they could not put a 2.20, 2.30, 2.00 or even a 1.90 low and second gear combo together for a three speed or even a four speed auto? They have all the other whistles and bells so what is the reasoning for that move? It will be interesting to see where they classifie this thing. NHRA is shoveling more dirt on top of my ride.

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i thought they quit making vipers last year,i have never seen a 2010.

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I wonder how long it will be before they'll need a sales code or part number for an 8.49 cage and a parachute......

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Almost everyone out here has a Chevy or no car. And yes I have a dealership. Think someone made it work for 43 years. My first car was a $1200 used hemi that I had to finance in l970. I worked hard at the shop as I worked hard on my race cars. We fixed our customers cars at the track for years. And I will have a Viper Challenger. Nuff said about that.

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It does not matter how hard you've worked or for how long and it doesn't matter if it's a GM or MOPAR or FORD this is wrong. They need there own class or put in superstock with a correct factor!!!!!!. Must be nice to be a BIG FISH IN A SMALL POND. why don't you go run SS/AH, oh that's right hard to run with the top dogs over there just like it was in top stock.

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That is way out of line.

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im not a class racer but sure as heck would like to be one day and i am 23 years old, but from what i see its going to be impossible unless your filthy rich to field a fun halway competitave super stock car unless you have massive factory backing, big time sponsorship, or one of these insane cars that are factored WAY off base and dont even belong in the classes they have been put in.

on a side not i really have not paid much attention to some of the other classes as in ss/bs and the like but when i got my ND in the mail i couldnt help but wonder 2 things, who the hell races an ant-eater, and 2 why the heck is a COMP ELIMINATOR car racing in superstock!!

this goes back to me being 23 and having a deep interest in stock or super stock but month by month it gets farther out of reach.

even for stock. so unless things change i fer the class may die due to lack of interest from the younget guys like me, i love it when i go to a national event i see the noise makers but then everybdys gets up and leaves and it gives me prime time seating for the best classes around pro stock, stock, SS and comp. but unless things change and cars get put where they belong i think the class, SS, will be in trouble and this is coming form an outsider who actually cares.

nothing like hanging them high & banging gears.

Re: 2011 Dodge Challenger V10 Drag Pak
 

What is a roll controll in a transmision if it is not a trans brake? What is next the delay box that is part of the factory computer so it is ok?

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Let's just call ALL these factory drag cars what they are ------F/X!
The factories tried this stuff in the 60s which became S/S then F/X. at least back then they had the stones to admit it!

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My favorite quote"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely!" It appears that the factories have absolute power. The door has been opened to allow the most outlandish devices to compete in stock. What next Matty boxes? Because of a poor choice of allowing Super Stock/fx cars to compete in stock, we are now seeing the demise of Stock as we have known it.

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That depends on your perspective and what side of the fence you fell on.

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Actually, I think it was the sanctioning bodies that came up with the FX classes back then.

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Hey Jeff, Is that V-10 really rated at 385 HP?

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Let's break it down.


I think that Jeff said what he said because he is getting tired of all the comments about the "rich" taking advantage of all the "poor" class racers. I feel the same way as he does.


I pretty much agree with this statement. Except, that infers that this is some great conspiracy. My personnal feeling is that we are seeing something close to what happened in the late sixties with the musclecars. There are only a few platforms this time, but look at all the combinations they are throwing out! I don't doubt that we are fixing to see a change.


I would suggest that this is a personnal attack that really doesn't help this debate at all.

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Everybody also has got to realize that besides the painfully obvious gross HP under ratings and advanced factory engineered and built driveline and chassis advancements of these particular vehicles, that's only the tip of the iceberg. With the level of onboard computer controlled function capability possibilities there's absolutely no way the sanctioning body can enforce the Stock/Super Stock rules to level the playing field with older non computer controlled vehicles. With present and potential onboard computer capabilities the sky is the limit as far as transmission, driveline, engine, fuel, et al electronically controlled variables. I really don't understand why NHRA didn't place these vehicles in a separate or FX type class and let time and factor changes sort out the eventual capabilities. Any attempt at present refactoring using current procedures is painfully slow, chasing a moving target and grossly unfair to the present body of older vehicles running in the same class. I really don't think any racer would object to these type of vehicles running in the S/SS eliminations, it's the class eliminations that's ridiculous. This coming era of computer controlled vehicles vs carburetored cars is going to be similar to the flathead/ohv (jeez am I old??) transition. Can't be done by present factoring methods. Just my 2¢ but I really sympathize with the hard working S/SS competitors who see their years of effort and work be negated by the influx of these type of vehicles.

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I hope GM doesn't go with a blower. Even the die-hard Ford fans I know are a little embarrassed by the blown mustangs. I think the v10 Challenger would be a great street car, but Ford and GM don't offer any engines of similar size, so I don't see where it even fits a class.

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Heck, even the dinosaur NASCAR is finally moving forward with EFI and distinguishable body types (Mustang, Challenger, Camry), to promote new vehicle recognition! NHRA is just leading the way.

I believe the iceburg has truelly been flipped in a new direction, with purpose.

Peter

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I'm not sure for whom I sympathize more: the racers with the "old" combos or the guys that put $100k into their "new" rides just to see the factory build a better (read: quicker) mousetrap the following year. I suppose for those that can afford to keep up with the Joneses it really doesn't matter.

To me, the idea of a package car is cheapened by the high volume of these cars that are hitting the racetrack. The package cars of the 60's are popular and valuable mainly because there aren't very many of them. Owning a Hurst car or an A990 car puts you in an exclusive club of sorts. Anyone think the '68 Dart/Cuda packages would be as popular as they are if Mother Mopar had popped out updated versions in subsequent years? Same with the '64 T-Bolt, '69 ZL1, etc...

As for this new creation, I agree with Jeff Lee: 850 hp doesn't seem the least bit impossible. The 5.7's make a little over 1.75 hp/ci. The 512" V-10 won't be as efficient as the smaller engine, but it only has to make 1.66 hp/ci to make 850. Let's rate it at 385 and call it a B/SA. Sounds about right...

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Jared,

I have thought about this, also. It is my opinion the real impact will be on guys that bought the new car combos. They will have had 3 years in some cases of an advantage to the older cars, but next year looks like they will be banging it out against each other. This can turn into an very, very expensive bracket car for them. Our car is just a very expensive bracket car. Not a very, very expensive one. :D

Don

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2speed? :(WTF no ProTrans?

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Don't have a heart attack. It's an option, as is the blower and the turbocharger. I think the real intent is to replace the old Darts and Cudas in the Hemi Challenge with the new body style that they sell in the show room today. In either case, it is a deep pocket sport. Barton and Westcott will dislike it the most. I'm just saying..........

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Yeah , buyers could not afford it if it were a std option...... That option would put it over 90$? Wonder what the options will be? Liberty, Lenco, Bruno ??? /FX /FX /FX /FX /FX/.!!!!!

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If I see one of those cars with a Bruno's in it.............................................nev ermind, at this point I wouldnt be shocked

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Modern transmissions have Roll Controll integrated, so that shouldn't be a suprise. But I must say that after five years of development of our SS/D V10 I am sceptical to this new package.... The small HEMI is a WAY better engine!

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While I look forward to seeing these cars on the track, I don’t see anything wrong with the former policy of build 500 for stock, 50 for Super Stock and a few for FX.

In their day the 68 A body race cars had a lot of items that were pretty far afield from the production cars.

While I would like to see a lot of the cars in Super Stock run in a Modified Eliminator that is not going to happen, the 2011 Drag Paks are pretty tame compared to the little Pro Stockers that run in the eliminator today.

A little off this topic but like I have said before, we don’t need any more classes but I think the blown cars should be in separate classes.

Bill Lamb

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So please explain to me how roll control works in a modern transmision. I have never noticed car companys touting this new advancment. But I must admit I have not really looked either. Do they hold the car still at iddle but let it move just above that or will it act as a trans brake.

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The customer do notice it when the function atomatically engage when standing still with the car in D in a steep hill...the car doesn't roll backwards even if you step of the trottle and don't use the brakes. I will remain in the same position until you floor it. In my mind the same function as a transbrake...

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Well I have held off posting because this sort screws up my idea of having the first V10 Viper in stock. Very disappointing for me.

This engine will be equipped with what is know as a "cam within a cam"

From Chrysler's post "Unique engine calibration"

Real time changes to lobe centers and duration and overlap by the on-board computer

I guess they have fixed the oiling issues the V10 has and figured out how to put some seat pressure on the valves

Move over boys there is a new sheriff in town

If you didn't like variable fuel adjustments during a run related to atmosphere and barometer - well now deal with - changing you cam with out turning a wrench as you go down the track

It is a brave new world

Finally technology has come to our sport

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Supercharger and Turbocharger for the DP or street cars?

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Reel is screaming and pole is bent in half. I think I've hooked one.

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:d

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Norfork-N-Way !!!
LOL:D

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Cage is not standard equipment...!

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At the intro Mopar said it was a 600hp v 10, dont count on nhra to hold them to it. The 2 speed trans is one thing what about the 9" ford rear, this is a real stocker alright. I got 2 cars on blocks, looks like they will stay there now. They are just old junk now, Barry you are not alone, lots of cars will sit next year.

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It is "official" 450 hp AA/SA

Can't beleive they rated it that high

LOL :-)


peace

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Yea that's fair

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Why dosent NHRA just call it Mustang and DP eliminator and tell everyone else to stay home? Oh yeah.........$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$ from entries.

Re: 2011 Dodge Challenger V10 Drag Pak
 

450 almost seems like a reasonable starting point...