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Toby Lang 11-13-2010 04:45 PM

Re: Cj vs drag pak first round
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmcarter (Post 221899)
Alan is first rate but he also frequently states the top 2 rules of announcing (for those who don't know them # 1 is don't let the facts interfere with good announcing). He knows what's going on...they aren't going to tiptoe into that minefield.


So what are you trying to say, that the CJ didn't lift early?


-Toby

james schaechter 11-13-2010 05:24 PM

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Not that it matters, but Alan and any NHRA announcer in the booth has the facts on the screen in front of them.

They can see every run that the competitors have made if they choose to. The incrementals are up for each current pair of course.

FINESPLINE 11-13-2010 05:50 PM

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Can't wait until Pomona is over. Can't wait until the season is over. Can't wait until NHRA makes their announcements concerning 2011 rule changes. Lets hope and pray they are not blind and deaf. Until then lets light a candle for divine intervention. Just waiting to see whether the NHRA hiearchy has completely sold out.:confused:

jmcarter 11-13-2010 05:55 PM

Re: Cj vs drag pak first round
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Toby Lang (Post 221917)
So what are you trying to say, that the CJ didn't lift early?


-Toby

No; just don't think Alan was genuinely surprised. He was just adding some drama. Wouldn't argue with our high paid reporters; remember I'm still hoping you get a bonus.

Ron E 11-13-2010 05:56 PM

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75 Les Norton 6398 Kevin Cour
E1 0.063 9.867 131.41 ****WINNER**** 0.065 9.840 124.14



Did anybody get any idea of how long the mustang just cruised? I'm guessing Kevin would have liked to show more MPH, but was so far ahead.......

Toby Lang 11-13-2010 06:18 PM

Re: Cj vs drag pak first round
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jmcarter (Post 221921)
No; just don't think Alan was genuinely surprised. He was just adding some drama. Wouldn't argue with our high paid reporters; remember I'm still hoping you get a bonus.


Well, I've been going to national events with my brother since '93 and between '97 and '05 I raced 15-20 national events a year. Believe me, I've heard my fair share of Alan's announcing.

His words were "Whoa, talk about lifting early!" or something to that effect. He could have been playing it up, but it sounded genuine to me.


-Toby

Andys dad 11-13-2010 07:14 PM

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I videoed it from a forklift at the finish line where 40 people were watching. He pedaled it 3 times

BBF67 11-13-2010 07:35 PM

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[QUOTE=Ron E;221922]75 Les Norton 6398 Kevin Cour
E1 0.063 9.867 131.41 ****WINNER**** 0.065 9.840 124.14

QUOTE]


Next year....lots of horsepower to both combinations Tuesday morning for a run that quick.

Dave Ficacci 11-13-2010 07:43 PM

Re: Cj vs drag pak first round
 
He was on .69 to a .72. Check the live timing and compare it to other CJ runs throughout the year. Its not that hard to figure out.

James Perrone 11-13-2010 08:02 PM

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I tend to believe Toby .
The guy is there LIVE..
Also Andys Dad don't you have some work to do 2nd round?
You better get your NEW car out Fast!
Good Luck

K Stubbs 11-13-2010 08:09 PM

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What difference does it make how fast he could have run, he won. Give him credit for that. These cars ran heads up at Indy all out against each other for class, its not like this is the first time.

NewHemi 11-14-2010 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by RULER (Post 221890)
Well here we go again, the CJ go's 111mph at eighth and 124mph at the finish, that speed would have gone deep into the 9.6 area or quicker, and as for Mr. Kour it's real EZ for him because it's not that hard to wright a check.


Here we go again, this self anointed "ruler" trying to make an issue of money in racing...

Who cares whose money it is, or how much it is? Nobody except the green eyed jealousy monsters....

By the way, just how fast did YOUR car go at Pomona this week?

Kevin ran a good race and won. End of story.

David
The New Hemi Guy

Jeff Teuton 11-14-2010 12:59 PM

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One of the better quotes about this stuff is from the West Coast by Chuck Rayburn: "If you can't run within 3 tenths of the leader, you can't vote."

Chad Rhodes 11-14-2010 01:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 222046)
One of the better quotes about this stuff is from the West Coast by Chuck Rayburn: "If you can't run within 3 tenths of the leader, you can't vote."

So unless you own one of these cars, you can't vote. Gotcha. Keep the beer cold Jeff, see ya in Feb

Jared Jordan 11-14-2010 01:16 PM

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Granted, semantics is sort of my job but....

I'd be willing to bet that "leader" in that context is defined as the guy with the fastest non-CJ or DP car.

skills 11-14-2010 01:53 PM

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hey Chad my I ask what do you race? Know the name just cant remember your car. Look I know the non CJ and DP racers are taking a beating in class but has either won a race this year? Getting the factories in stock and super stock will help the classes in the long run if and only if Glendora straighten things out so older cars dont hang it up. I am a little spoiled here in D1 where the car counts are still good, but I enjoy looking at the national events and seeing s/ss counts over 90.

Ed Wright 11-14-2010 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jared Jordan (Post 222049)
Granted, semantics is sort of my job but....

I'd be willing to bet that "leader" in that context is defined as the guy with the fastest non-CJ or DP car.

I would hope so. If not nobody gets to vote. <G>

Jeff Teuton 11-14-2010 02:37 PM

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Just a cute quote by a colorful guy. You guys underware is too tight.

SS Engine Guy 11-14-2010 02:38 PM

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Here is a better quote: If you can't run within 3 tenths of the leader, pass tech, and have a factor closer than 10 hp off you can't vote.

davidhuff 11-14-2010 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RULER (Post 221911)
Don't forget that check book to go with that pen, A winning combo for sure!!!!!!!!! It's the American way these days.

The American Way is to get off your lazy *** and off the key board and go to work and live the American Dream.I took this advise 40 years ago and it sure works!

NewHemi 11-14-2010 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 221854)
Because of some their attitud's of being better than most and everyone knows its a "Screw" job by the factories and NHRA to all of the hard working stock and S/S racers who tested, spent $$$ and have beat their combos to death over several years just to have these bogus HP combos show up and obsolete the older muscle car combos just because of a fat check book and connections to obtain them. Is that plain enough for you !


Exactly where and when did we ever represent ourselves as being better than most?
If you are so insecure that you take the fact that we own one of the newer cars as being evidence of that, you gotta get a life man....

I did exactgly what you or anyone else could have done... I got in line, and got my car. I was a nobody to the racing community and I got my car.... So if you are such a big deal and speak for the whole racing community, you should have been able to step up and get one too...

As for having a big checkbook, I am further in debt with this car than you could even imagine.. But how I paid, and whether or not I could really 'Afford it" are absolutely none of your business and have nothing to do with whether our car runs fast or not.

All it took was stones and money.... But I doubt that you have either, so that is why you complain about the new cars.

David
The New Hemi Guy

X-TECH MAN 11-14-2010 04:10 PM

Re: Cj vs drag pak first round
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NewHemi (Post 222088)
Exactly where and when did we ever represent ourselves as being better than most?
If you are so insecure that you take the fact that we own one of the newer cars as being evidence of that, you gotta get a life man....

I did exactgly what you or anyone else could have done... I got in line, and got my car. I was a nobody to the racing community and I got my car.... So if you are such a big deal and speak for the whole racing community, you should have been able to step up and get one too...

As for having a big checkbook, I am further in debt with this car than you could even imagine.. But how I paid, and whether or not I could really 'Afford it" are absolutely none of your business and have nothing to do with whether our car runs fast or not.

All it took was stones and money.... But I doubt that you have either, so that is why you complain about the new cars.

David
The New Hemi Guy

I never mention ANYONE by name. Only those who feel guilty of it being a direct attack are offended and so be it. Its just a couple on this site that think they are Gods gift to the racing world with the new cars. It dosent take a lot of brains or talent to run way under with cars that are underrated by 75 to 100 HP.....just the $$$$ to buy the product coming out of Detroit and the desire to spend money. YOU were not one of them nor is Jeff Teuton who I was refering to in my earlier post. . I know Jeff and respect him. He is one heck of a good guy. As far as STONES or the MONEY I have both. I just hate seeing what is going on with the bogus HP raitings making the older cars obsolete. Does my posting make you feel guilty? I wont waste my money on a stocker until I see where NHRA is going with this joke. Some have parked their cars due to this and I dont blame them. Been there and done that 38 years ago when they killed off Jr. stockers in 1972 when it required talent to make a combo work and be respected instead of buying a persons way into a great sport when it didnt cost so much.

skills 11-14-2010 04:52 PM

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Can we knock off the hate of old vs new! You are all sportsmen racers and are in the same boat together. You know when I was at e-town and maple grove you all sat around and waited for days not just the old or new cars. Check your attitudes and come together and fix the problems so fans like me can enjoy all the cars. Sorry I am not a racer so maybe I don't count but without my gate money you would have a place to race anyway.

X-TECH MAN 11-14-2010 05:28 PM

Re: Cj vs drag pak first round
 
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Originally Posted by skills (Post 222100)
Can we knock off the hate of old vs new! You are all sportsmen racers and are in the same boat together. You know when I was at e-town and maple grove you all sat around and waited for days not just the old or new cars. Check your attitudes and come together and fix the problems so fans like me can enjoy all the cars. Sorry I am not a racer so maybe I don't count but without my gate money you would have a place to race anyway.

You still dont get it. Its about making a racers $50,000 to $100,000 investment obsolete with the stroke of a pen !

skills 11-14-2010 05:47 PM

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I do get it believe me. I am just saying that everybody needs to come together and go at glendora and fix the problem so every present and possible future racer can enjoy themselves regardless of what combo they race. See as frustrated as you all get with nhra I am too when I get to the track early so I can see s/ss and because of the track or an accident I don't get to see that but have to put up with the pros that I can see on tv. I like the droozemobile saw it at the dutch but don't want to lose people like john shaul or any other older car. I want larger car counts more heads up elimination runs. So I can get my moneys worth.

davidhuff 11-14-2010 07:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by skills (Post 222113)
I do get it believe me. I am just saying that everybody needs to come together and go at glendora and fix the problem so every present and possible future racer can enjoy themselves regardless of what combo they race. See as frustrated as you all get with nhra I am too when I get to the track early so I can see s/ss and because of the track or an accident I don't get to see that but have to put up with the pros that I can see on tv. I like the droozemobile saw it at the dutch but don't want to lose people like john shaul or any other older car. I want larger car counts more heads up elimination runs. So I can get my moneys worth.

I agree 100%, because we need new and old stock and super stock race cars at the track.

larry dowty 11-14-2010 08:00 PM

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SKILLS the cour family won the seattle nat. event this year in stock

skills 11-14-2010 08:08 PM

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Okay didn't know. I am not a mustang guy but do enjoy watching fast cars chase. I can imagine a front wheel drive celica being chased by an a/b stocker. Its always fun to watch cars basing ed's amc more of that is a good thing.

Ed Wright 11-14-2010 09:05 PM

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We need the new cars with reasonable hp ratings.

Chad Rhodes 11-14-2010 09:19 PM

Re: Cj vs drag pak first round
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by skills (Post 222062)
hey Chad my I ask what do you race? Know the name just cant remember your car. Look I know the non CJ and DP racers are taking a beating in class but has either won a race this year? Getting the factories in stock and super stock will help the classes in the long run if and only if Glendora straighten things out so older cars dont hang it up. I am a little spoiled here in D1 where the car counts are still good, but I enjoy looking at the national events and seeing s/ss counts over 90.

A-AA/SA 69 corvette and a newly acquired I/SA 92 camaro

skills 11-14-2010 09:52 PM

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Are you parking the Corvette?

Chad Rhodes 11-14-2010 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by skills (Post 222174)
Are you parking the Corvette?

not yet, waiting to see what transpires in the offseason. Wouldn't park it, but it could end up with a small block and jerico.

skills 11-14-2010 10:18 PM

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Oh that sucks love big blocks and slushboxes. Jeff Teuton is on the comp committee maybe we can go thru him to get fair changes.

X-TECH MAN 11-14-2010 10:29 PM

Re: Cj vs drag pak first round
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by skills (Post 222188)
Oh that sucks love big blocks and slushboxes. Jeff Teuton is on the comp committee maybe we can go thru him to get fair changes.

LOL...............This is NHRA your talking about.

skills 11-14-2010 10:38 PM

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We have to try, want to see as many upper class stockers as possible.

Larry Hill 11-15-2010 10:20 AM

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Everyone( with older combos) is mad at NHRA for losing it's gag reflex when they swallowed the "factory HP.". We all want the fair and level playing field.

Ed Wright 11-15-2010 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 222271)
Everyone( with older combos) is mad at NHRA for losing it's gag reflex when they swallowed the "factory HP.". We all want the fair and level playing field.

That's all. We don't care what brand or how new they are.

Jeff Teuton 11-15-2010 12:32 PM

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I'm for speeding up the old cars by reducing hp accross the board prior to 2008. I'm also for new parts for the old cars. Only 15 years I been asking for new parts. I'm sure the new AHFS will be on the air shortly. We don't know what it is. What was proposed would have hit the old cars 6 to 1 over the DP/CJ cars. Mainly because of lack of data. Keeping and maintaining accurate data is high on the discussion list. More as it comes out. Yall know much as I do now.

Ed Wright 11-15-2010 12:39 PM

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I wondered about the amount of run data thing. Could be a double edged sword. Hope they are thinking aobut that. I would have thought you would have some advance word.

Btw, "Little Joe" had a really good day. He was deadly on the lights. Good to see a real Hemi car go rounds like that.

Bob Pagano 11-15-2010 12:42 PM

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They want data, all they had to do was go to Wesley, nobody kept more than Him but no somebody did not like the hits when Wesley and Lang were doing it and they got replaced. Put Terry, Wesley, Lang and Greg X in a room and before they come out things would be fixed and the bitchen would stop.


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