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To interject some humor here, at Indy one year Joe Lunati laughed when I told him I wanted to race a 351C 2V, he told me it might not even make the factory horsepower!

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Ok, enough already!

Quit beating on these guys that have purchased these cars....
I'd love to have one just to say I had one, and I'm no proponent of these as stockers.

IMO - stock & super stock as we've known it (since the beginning) has long gone left the barn years ago.

Stockers now days are super stockers, and super stockers are now comp. cars...

and it's all the fault of nhra / ihra that they have allowed this bs to go on as long as they have.

When it comes right down to it, does it really matter anymore?.... All of these class cars are bogus and that's what the racers wanted.

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I think mopar should put a 4 and or 5 speed sticks in this car as an option... as they are with a 2 speed auto they are fast..very fast..this is going to be interesting going head to head with the cobra jets in aa/sa...this is fun just gotta have the $$$...Luke SS 311

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If Andy's dad builds an SS car with "any compression" he is going to get in trouble at tear down. :D

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NO its NOT enough. All of these new cars are making all the other cars obsolete in their respective class. Get the HP factors right, fair and I will shut up. NOT before then.

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No *****!

that's my point, it ain't happen'n!!!!!!!!!!!!

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X2 I will also stop if nhra dose the right thing. Believe me when I say nhra reads this forum, that was told to me a couple of years ago as I was told "watch what you say" so I am letting my feelings be known besides sending my complaint in writing. I will not sit by and watch bad hp after bad hp continue year after year. It needs fixing now.

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The sad part is the racers who are affected will not stick together. Not enough are complainning or plan to just park their rides until this BS is corrected. The only other option is to race some IHRA but that is not something everyone can do due to the lack of events in the west. Besides who knows if IHRA will even be around as a true sanctioning body after this year or next ? Isnt it about time for some of you to have a back bone !

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You are touching on a subject that many don’t want to admit or swallow especially for those who are heavily vested in older combos.
Class racing like ALL other forms of motorsports be it SCAA, IMSA NASCAR you name it they (we) all continue to evolve. Remember where this all started? Win Sunday sell Monday. If there is going to be factory support which IMHO is necessary for survival of the sport the factories will want their stuff to have an edge otherwise why get involved. If you threw a couple hundred horsepower on one of the DP’s and it ended up way down the qualifying list what’s Joe average spectator (assuming we have any LOL) going to think? ….Challenger is a dog I want a new Mustang. I think Ford really got it right now with the mod motor K car. It will be fast and readily available to racers and the public. For those of you who think we will survive as a sport flogging our 30-50 year old muscle cars and expect the old cars to stay on top is wishful thinking.

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History keeps repeating itself!

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expect the old cars to stay on top is wishful thinking.
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Bill Edgeworth
No I dont but lets take the 64 Max Wedge cars that run AA and A and now have to run the ford and the new mopar. Who has the fastest car ? Shaul ? Compare and tell me thats fair, there are a bunch of 63 and 64 wedges out there, what do you think they should do ? If you tell me they should work harder thats crap, tell Shaul and Mosbeck that and see what they tell you.

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Bob,

In my comments on the other thread I was not referring to the Shaul’s, Sorenson’s or DeArmonds of the world. I know how hard these guys have worked to get there combos as fast as they are. The work harder comment was in regards to the guys that just whine and moan about everything and don’t put an ounce of effort into making there stuff faster. The same guys that were complaining about all the fast old school cars before the new cars even existed.

Hats off to whomever it was that authored the thread “stock and late models a solution” some sound thinking rather than whining. But in my opinion as good an idea as it is it won’t happen. The new cars will continue to have a distinct advantage or the factories will not continue their involvement

Is the situation fair to the guys with old school AA and A combos? I certainly would not think so if I was one of them.
So no insult intended to the guys who do work hard on their stuff.
But as I said it’s a tough pill to swallow as I see it the old school AA & A cars are now sheep for the new cars to slaughter and that’s not going to change if it brings new cars and factory support to the table. And, as long as the factories view the slaughter as marketing tool things won’t change.

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I have an Idea.
How about All cars run shipping weight +170, or heavier. No class changes run the natural class only. This way the Ahfs would work a little better (quicker).
This way when you get moved a class you are moved a class. No add 90 pounds or so and stay where you are.
People talk about the old days, Well this is how we ran in the old days.

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In the old days we didn't even add 170 lbs. Car was weighed without the driver. The class you ran was the class you ran.

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Yes but they changed that rule in about 1975.
I was serious about this it wasn't meant to be a joke by my normal sarcastic self.
It would take a while but the results would be getting the horsepower straightened out.
It would be hard on the guys that don't work on their stuff, but to them I could say "work harder".
The guys that have worked hard on their stuff would be all right after the Afhs got a chance to work.
And getting factored would mean something.

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I understand, the fact that cars from AA to H and even more classes next year will cause more bitchen. Are all these car to just fade away. Even back in the day when the new factory race cars came out it only effected 3 or 4 classes and the old cars moved down a class.because the factory cars were SS first not dumped on top of everybody. We all think different but this is just turning into a big mess. I am not bitchen because of my car, I am pissed because of all the cars that are going to be in the same situation next year, were dose it end ? When there are only new fords and mopars to race? to late than. Nhra should have started out with FX than move them to stock like they did with the FI cars when they fell in line. The factories would have had there play ground and all would have been good but no push them down our throats and gag the whole of Stock Elim. I will continue to yap until Nhra shows some leadership and dose something for us racers instead of just gouging our pockets.

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Bob how about what I posted about one class per car? If 20 new cars came out and they had to run each other it would get them adjusted quick. Right now each new car can run at least 3 classes.

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Sounds good to me......Lets push for it.....as if NHRA really cares.....LOL.

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Hay Art ! Anything that could help fix this mess should be looked at but it looks like nhra found a way to get rid of half the cars in one foul swoop. FX would do it too. Have a great hollidays, bp

You got that right Terry !

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Thank You Jeff for injecting new blood in the Mopar Racing family! I'm a fan of changes and love the new cars and of course all the vintage Iron we've seen over the years.
I will myself stay with my "old" Gen2 V10 Viper, that we hopefully will debute 2011.
:)

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JP
On your Viper is the clutch fork on the usual drivers side or did Mopar put it on the pass side.
Thanks

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Centerpiece Hydraulic TOB.
The Hydraulic lines enter from passenger side.