Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

agreed 100%

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

I guess that the same could be said for checking all heads for Stock Eliminator!

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

LOL....Now you know nobody is "Fudging" in the cylinder head dept.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

Bob, how about we both sell our 302 Mustangs and combine forces with a trick new 4.6 car? Bill and Wade shouldn't be allowed to have all the fun. :)

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

nope bill is right. getting this thing faster is half the fun! besides you buy one of those cobra jets and the start throwing stuff at you when you come thru the gate.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

U guys are sooooooooooooooooo funny!!!!

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

Anybody wonder where the 235 figure comes from? Think the figure just came out of mid-air? For the answer go to...

www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Modular_engine

The 235 comes from Ford when they are converting horsepower numbers to the International System of Units that the rest of the world on the metric system uses. According to wikipedia, Ford says the 4.6L 3-valve engine produces 315 hp (235 kW) and 325 ft-lb torque (440 N-m). In metric terms kW stands for kilowatts and N-m stands for Newton-metre. These are the units of measurement that countries on the metric system use to rate the horsepower and torque of engines.

P.S. All advertisements for the 2010 Mustang with the 281 3-valve engine are 315 hp.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

That shows why all the rest of these new combos are out of touch with reality. Time to re rate them by converting back to good ole USA HORSEPOWER ratings.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

Dont worry about it Bob, I'm a bad shot.........


Wade

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

We just throw nerf balls ...lol. This is a fun topic right here

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

[QUOTE=Charley Downing;222500]Alan why on earth would you run a 140/240hp combo when you can run the 138/213hp combo? I also run a 1988 olds 307 138/213 and it's a good combo(-.95 the new index at the U.S. National this past year). The 140hp motor would haft to be around 225hp for me to even think of running i

I always wondered why every one sold me this stuff so cheap. Everyone ask me why I run that combo and not the roller motor or the 305 Chevy. It came down to what I had available and could afford. I also run it in J/SA and catch a lot flack about doing that. The little car qualify s at the bottom of the ladder, but it goes rounds.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

Yes....I used to work with Newton Meters and metric crap before I retired from a Navy Calibration Lab. I wasnt sure if many here knew what I would be talking about.....LOL. I doubt if NHRA would even consider any of the refactoring by this process.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

330/435 is a small Eaton blower Kevin

X Tech Man when did you become the X part 1960's?

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

Bite me charley !

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

I'm a little slow but did someone really just use the word "small" to describe the 2.3 liter supercharger found on the 2008 Cobra Jet, 638 hp ZR-1 Corvette (8 psi), and 635 horsepower Shelby Super Snake (also at 7-8 psi)?

Just because the 2010's have a MONSTER 4.0 liter blower sitting atop does not make the 2.3 liter small by any stretch of the imagination. Guys have been making over 1,000 hp with 2.3 liters since they came out a long time ago.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

X tech man don't get so mad. It was a real question. Or were your tech days over by then?



Chuck D REAL NAMES NO GAMES

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

If you had read other posts you would know that I worked for NHRA in 1974-75 in Div. 1 with Greg X. Then I started with IHRA (more friendly group) and worked for them taking care of the stock and S/S classes for 22 1/2 years except for a break in the 1980's. I quit in 2001 so I have seen it all. You young guys dont have a clue what it is like to work on a combo for years only to have something like what is happening now with the new cars comeing along and make your hard work and investment turn into obsolete junk. Today it seems to be the status que to write a check instead of building it yourself.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

You will never get any of the NEW car owners to admit they are way under rated or better yet belong in super stock, They think there all entitled to there unfair advantage. It gives them there only real chance to win!!

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

Uhh, win what?Class?After that it's a bracket race.A lot of those hair dryer rockets and
tunnel ram heeemis get knocked off by the slugs once eliminations start.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

Dont lie Gene remember our wheel stand contest ????????????????:eek:

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

as a new car owner i admit its under rated.i got the car because it was cool.i had no idea what the factory and nhra was doing.my advantage comes from bracket racing for the last 15 years every weekend.hell the class trophy dont mean crap,im looking to win the big one.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

Uhh, win what?Class?After that it's a bracket race.A lot of those hair dryer rockets and
tunnel ram heeemis get knocked off by the slugs once eliminations start.
Well then i may be wrong but if you ask the Hills if it's always a bracket race or Mr. Rampy they may be able to show you when it isn't and that is what the problem is with the new cars and the unfair advantage they have and as more show up it will get worse and it will affect the lower classes too when they release the low HP combos!!!!, This is stock NOT PRO BRACKET.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

It isn't just a bracket race outside of head's up class racing. There is also this thing of qualifying. That affects whether you may get in or not (Indy) and also the ladder (potential bye runs).

Don

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Your right X tech man I don't have a clue about hard work.
When I started running my dad's 1983 wagon it ran 12.95 in M/SA. After six gear changes, seven different cams, three carbs, three sets of headers, and over 500 hours of work it now runs 12.20s in O/SA. Our 1988 ran 13.00 in P/SA and now it runs 12.50s.
So don't stand (or sit in you case) there from the side lines and tell me about how the younger generation just buys their way to the top. There are still some of us who know how to fine tune a combo.

And by the way this happened 12 years ago with LT1 cars. Everyone with a 67-69 camaro was crying and they STILL ARE.
Class racing is not fair so race what you have and complain or build something new.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

i may be new to this but not just class winers get in right?i follow ND and i dont see to many heads up races.if you do get beat in one dont you just try harder next time,ya know the american way.i guess you could just cry about it,but that sounds like the bunch that bought in to the hope and change crap.
all the crying is getting old.send your anger to nhra not me just because i worked hard and got a car you dont like.
what are you going to do when the camaro comes out with the turbo.now thats going to be fun to watch

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

We can all see you are new to this. Please don't take this the wrong way, but respect among the class racing ranks can be hard to earn. However, a good place for you to start would be to use your real name and competition number. Another good idea would be for you to use proper grammar and spelling in your posts.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

I also remember something about your old man being caught running a 350 instead or where a 305 was supposed to be many years ago in the wagon. Now thats working hard.....LOL.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

Just for the record my dad has never been caught running a 350 instead a 305. The only time he has been DQ was for Valve spring pressure in 1988 @ INDY( along with 13 other racer because the tester was off 9 pounds). Get your facts right Pre 1960's X tech man. I see now why NHRA never asked you back.

You say you were an IHRA tech man for 20 plus years right. I was just curious if you held the bible for the famous IHRA teardowns(1978-1984) or if you guys paid a real preacher to do it for you. I would be shocked if you even know how to check a cylinder head cc.

The last time I set an IHRA record they never even plug a valve out of the head or rolled the cam. Is this the kind teaching you left behind when you left?

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

I sure hate to be one to agree with CD on any subject but he is correct about IHRA's slack teardowns. That is probably one of the reasons NHRA racers shy away from IHRA races even when they are in close driving distance. It is bad to have to race against cars that never get looked at. At least NHRA does teardown the new cars and has proven several times they will throw them out for an illegal engine even if the horsepower is underrated.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

I agree with the lack of tear downs also. Ive complained about for years. Very few even care about tear downs anymore and the story I get is the lack of help and an open time frame. I left around 1978 and came back in 1990 and stayed until 2001. I threw out 14 stockers at Darlington at that first race of the year. Several were NHRA cars. It embarred one NHRA guy so bad he quit racing and sold his junk. I usually only worked the National events. Very few points races as I still had to work for a living.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

Charley Im tired of the pi$$ing contest with you. I dont care if he was torn down or not but the story is he was either protested or requested to tear down and loaded up and left. The story was it was a 350. Were you even born at that time? It was a very long time ago so some details are fuzzy. On top of that I have CC'd more cyl heads than you ever thought about. I preped heads for stock and S/S since 1969 before everyone started to "Enhance" them as in what some called acid porting. There is more cheating and outright bogus crap going on today than ever before. I can check a cams duration and overlap like we did in the 60'and 70's.....can you? I can quote engine specs for most older cars without looking at the spec book. Greg X tought me and he was one of the best I worked with along with Marty Barrett in Div 3, John beedenkamp (sp?) from Div.2, and past NHRA tech director Jim Dale. . Im done with you. Have a nice life and I really do hope your Mustang flies and you get hit with about 75 more HP before all is said and done. Those damn things belong in S/S along with the new V-10 Challenger. Have a nice life.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

Wow, are we feeling a little grumpy today! You might switch to decaf.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

XXXXXXXX Tech man
Ok so you can put a set of heads together, so what that make you a expert in class racing. YOU DON"T EVEN RACE OR TECH. Just like you the good old days are gone.

Are you by chance the great Terry Bell X top stock man

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

No...Not really. Just tired of these young punks who think they know everything and have it all given to them. I respect the group (young and older) who race for the effort and time they put into their programs, who work hard and dont run their mouths. 99% of the GOOD racers never post on here and I dont blame them. Im just about done with this forum myself. I would be in AA/S or A/S myself right now if it wasnt for the new bogus so called stockers. Why waste my money and time? One might as well take up golf or street rodding. Im thinking an I thru K car would have been better until the new V-6 Mustang came out. It wont be long and the new combos will have all of the classe covered. Just what NHRA wants. A new car show only.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

Come on now Terry this is all in good fun. No one wants you to leave the classracer. I don't know everything and have not had it all given to me. I hate to burst your bubble but Stock and SS are a huge waste of money( just ask any S/SS racers wife).
I just have one last question, I see you have posted over 2,200 times on this forum, so what category do you put your self in?

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

The stupid catagory. Im a dumb ***** for wasting my time on here trying to help a few and inform some of a little history of Stock and S/S racng. In the big picture none of this stuff even matters.

Re: A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp
 

No you're not. I don't always agree with you, but I think it is good to hear both sides of every argument. Only history will tell if it matters or not.

(If everyone on here agreed all the time it really would be sad)