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Jeff Teuton 12-09-2010 09:27 PM

Re: New AHFS 2011
 
Art, you don't want to know what we beat back. Trust me.

Chad Rhodes 12-09-2010 09:37 PM

Re: New AHFS 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 226962)
Art, you don't want to know what we beat back. Trust me.

Jeff, I wish you would tell us. I'd love to know what NHRA really had in mind? It would give us the opportunity to both show our appreciation for your hard work, and at the same time know where we stand and what to look out for.

RJ Sledge 12-09-2010 09:42 PM

Re: New AHFS 2011
 
Jeff

OK big boy.....I'll trust you, but please don't tell me I get to "soup" up my combo so I can run faster. I will be waiting with baited breath........

RJ

art leong 12-10-2010 12:38 AM

Re: New AHFS 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 226962)
Art, you don't want to know what we beat back. Trust me.

Jeff if for some reason I get the brake working. and put the other parts on the car. And if I go to Belle Rose next year. how about we run index to index. With the clocks off.
I think I can run with the big dogs LOL

Tom Moock 12-10-2010 02:17 AM

Re: New AHFS 2011
 
Art, Stock,SuperStock rules committee members, chairman Pat Cvengros, Bob Lang, Bruce Bachelder, Dave Mohn, Bob Blackwell, Danny Gracia. Tom

art leong 12-10-2010 09:34 AM

Re: New AHFS 2011
 
Okay thanks. When the new div 2 director (seems to be a good guuy by the way) told me the commitee did it. I thought they meant our representitives Glad I got that straight.

Frank Bialas 12-12-2010 10:01 PM

Re: New AHFS 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 226911)
Jeff, our car is a 435, not the 400. It was a 400 till 2008. I have written several letters to get HP off the 435 to no avail. The low rise 3x2 intake is nowhere near as good as the 372 intake on the 425, and the extra CFM don't make up for it.

I also wish we would have kept the 400 stuff, its a better combo for sure now. Look at Dave Casey ( not sure if he is the 400 but I'm pretty sure it is).

Jeff/Chad NHRA DOES-NOT giveaway 10/20 HP to anybody, I know every-time it's been +6 or just enough so the 440-6pak COULD-NOT PLAY WITH THE 396/375 AND OR THE TRUE BLUE 428's. Must have been a bad boy this year again, cause no xmas gift from NHRA again!!! Your right as intimidating/nasty the carbs and hole in the hood look it's not the best combo, and the really bad thing about running MOPAR is NO after-market heads,intakes, or carbs, OH AND NO ALUMINUM STUFF either!!! The 417 factor stays maybe because there are only a handful of us running the BIG-B-BODY!!! And even the better factored E-BODIES really struggle to compete and I believe they stayed @-405HP too bad that they couldn't tighten us up a bit, so the OLD stuff/guys could still play. THE END MAY BE CLOSER THAN WE THINK - - - - ONE NEVER KNOWS!!!!


Jeff 2010#14DP is still on back burner - all the way back burner, long story hope we can get a jump on it over the winter.

Ed Wright 12-12-2010 10:20 PM

Re: New AHFS 2011
 
So, you think NHRA was giving your engine hp to help the GM racers? Not because somebody hit the hp trigger (twice) and your engine's average was too far under? Do you really believe that? If you could not get your car going that fast, somebody evidently was.
Your DP will be fast. You don't need to know anything to put one of those over a second under. For now anyway.

Frank Bialas 12-12-2010 11:15 PM

Re: New AHFS 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 227548)
So, you think NHRA was giving your engine hp to help the GM racers? Not because somebody hit the hp trigger (twice) and your engine's average was too far under? Do you really believe that? If you could not get your car going that fast, somebody evidently was.
Your DP will be fast. You don't need to know anything to put one of those over a second under. For now anyway.

ED your right, I guess I'm just a bitter-old-cranky-dude. The HP hits and record runs came from factored tracks which didn't help it was a long time ago and only one guy we won't mention names, the ratio is low, no help, and it just seemed that as we were sneaking up on the GM/Ford combo's we would get pushed down.I take it back - - - - - let me get a beer and get back out in the garage and work on that Mope with NO hope!!! You have to agree with me on at least one thing, even though I think that I have all the best parts, that I don't get to use all the good after market parts that benefit others aluminum heads especially.

Ed Wright 12-13-2010 10:23 AM

Re: New AHFS 2011
 
Frank, one reason many race GM cars is parts availability, not any brand thing. The reason there are more fast GM cars is there are simply more GM cars racing. It has been the easy, cheaper way to go. There are more GM cars on the road so it I'd easier to find the car you need to build. Aftermarket companies are going to make parts for which there is more demand. They are going to make what they can sell they can sell the most. My short stint with a Mustang in the late '70s surprised me. I couldn't just go buy everything I needed. Has to make more of what I needed. Not everybody can do that, so racing a GM car is easier. Look around at how many tow with a Ford or Dodge truck. Not everybody is a brandbigot. But, man, many of you guys are! Lol

Mike Crutchfield 12-13-2010 11:43 AM

Re: New AHFS 2011
 
Chad
You have a PM

Crew Chief 12-13-2010 12:19 PM

Re: New AHFS 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 226962)
Art, you don't want to know what we beat back. Trust me.

It was probably a 1.10 under immediate hit that would have matched the old 1.40 under hit. Somebody beat it back to 1.20 under. That move alone prolonged all the new cars getting the horsepower closer to where they need to be plus a few older cars that needed the hit anyway.

B Aceves 12-13-2010 01:13 PM

Re: New AHFS 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Crew Chief (Post 227641)
It was probably a 1.10 under immediate hit that would have matched the old 1.40 under hit. Somebody beat it back to 1.20 under. That move alone prolonged all the new cars getting the horsepower closer to where they need to be plus a few older cars that needed the hit anyway.

Actually I dont know why it posted like its some BIG SECRET!! but NHRA wanted a
CIC type Index system like Comp the only other option the SRAC had PERIOD......

Ed Wright 12-13-2010 03:18 PM

Re: New AHFS 2011
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by B Aceves (Post 227652)
Actually I dont know why it posted like its some BIG SECRET!! but NHRA wanted a
CIC type Index system like Comp the only other option the SRAC had PERIOD......

That would have been rough!

Jeff Teuton 12-13-2010 04:02 PM

Re: New AHFS 2011
 
One only has to look at Comp and see the result of the CIC system. No matter how much 'diversity' NHRA tries to show, the numbers are going down. Barely got a full field in Indy. Nothing against the guys in comp, hell we got one. The CIC system is aimed at one car per class per nation, not 15000 runs in Stock and 11000 in Super Stock and some 39 SS/AH or 30 G/BA. 313 different Comp cars thru Oct 1 (Nitro Joe) compared with 1006 different cars in Super Stock and 1435 in Stock. There are almost as many cars in A/B/C/SA as in Comp as an eliminator. I just don't see the CIC doing anything for S/SS unless the eliminator is run off of index rather than dial-in. If that were to happen, this forum would explode.

Ed Wright 12-13-2010 04:49 PM

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I'm glad you guys talked them out of that one.


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