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Hey Calvin....Hows the weather in Md. LOL ? What are you racing in 2011?
Terry Bell

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Hey Terry
Hows the weather down there.
I'll be there during the christmas holidays, sure hope its warmer then its is here.
BBRRRRRRRR in the 20s at night and only the mid 30s during the day.

I guess I'll be running S/ST & H/R plus Brackets of course, at the famous MIR. :)

Cal
H/R 177X

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For all of you that want to eliminate timers, how do you propose we slow our cars down then? Run the stop the entire length of the track or use a high gear stop? Sounds like a huge step backwards to me.

I will admit that I agree the class is terrible for the spectators. But I honestly don't care. Our classes support themselves. We pay for everything with our entry fees. I race for me, not for the spectators (all 10 of them). I will also admit that I enjoyed racing T/S much more than the super classes. But we soon found out that after the class was contested for a few years it got fast enough that it took more money than I was willing to spend and more crew help than I had available. It was very fun going fast and having spectators interested in your class. But that all comes with a price. So far I have not heard any ideas on changes that I think will make any difference on spectators. Unless we do a 5' wheel stand or run in the 6's, most people wont care to watch us.

Just my opinion.

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I can go 170 in S/G and I would still like to see throttle stops gone. Why spend $25000 on a motor when you can run 9.90 with a sub $10000 motor. Same pay out less expense, makes sense to me.

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I do see your point. But for those of us that already have the equipment to go 170 what are we supposed to do with it? Sell it for .50 on the dollar and by a smaller motor? I also think there are a number of racers (myself included) that like to go fast and don't want to slow down. I don't think it is near as exciting to go 140 as it is to go 170+. If I wanted to go slow I would be racing stock.

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Ouch! You better hope Ed or a host of others don't accidentally wander into the the .90 section of the forum. Course it could be entertaining...Class Wars XXX

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Ok, maybe that wasn't fair after further review. But I think you all know what I was trying to say. I don't mean anything against stock, it's a fine class it's just not for me. My point was that I don't have any interest in racing a car that goes 140-145mph or less, which is what you would have if your car only ran 9.90 flat out.

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What Changes In Super Classes Would You Like To See ?
back 1/2 ONLY and leave it alone.

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8.00,9.00&10.00 hmmmm sounds like NHRA UNLEASHED?:rolleyes:

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for S/ST only ofcourse

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i did some research and found nhra has a class for you to run ever weekend its called trophy.

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Make all super classes a .550 pro tree. Then there would be more cars back in SG

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I would just be happy if they gave us a real .400 tree in SG. .500 would be good too. Heavy SST cars just have too hard of a time on the current .370 (a.k.a. .400) tree. So even fast SST cars won't be able to move up to SG without spending lots of cash on chassis upgrades or getting a new car.

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the Federico rule.........no chassis cars in super street.

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i also would like to see a real .400 tree

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Well now thats funny, I dont care who ya are !!!!

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My point, Einstein, is that we're ALL running trophy, all the time. The purse and contingency are just gravy.

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I agree with you Chris. Years ago even David Rampy had to quit racing until he could find a sponsor to help make ends meet. I'll bet if Dan Fletcher would respond to this he would tell the same story. Both of these guys win a lot and need help to pays the bills. If you build a drag car with the idea of making money, you should sell it before you race it.
Dan Foley
SC4698

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I respect your opinion,but to me , going 140 in my super stocker or 170 in my super gas car dosent feel much different after about the third run of the year. I guess this is unfortunate for me! lol

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I dont understand the bitchin about the tree.
My old car at 2750# and a 30year old 468 still had .020 to .030 in the box on a .370 tree.
They put all those holes in the 4 link and knobs on the shocks fo a reason ya know!
I have to run as much as .080 in the box at the MASGA races on a true .4 tree..and let me tell you it sucks when you have that much in ,when you miss the tree, you REALLY miss the tree!

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Geez Tom.....can you send me some of whatever your drinking cause it's making you fast as hell.....I need some!!!! ....Especially with my current wheels....

P.S. I mean that in a complimentary way.....

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Hey Rich, It's nothing that cant be accomplished by anyone ...The problem is a lot of the young guys and some of the older ones, got spoiled by the .4 LED lights . .....A lot of them dont remember what it was like to have to work like crazy to even get a .030 light on a .4 incandescent bulb tree!....22" front tires ,and still having to stuff it in the lights!
Since the 10.90,9.90 or 8.90 et is attainable by anyone who is willing to refine their combination and can use a calculator or prediction program, reaction time ,both driver and car have become the last place where the driver / mechanic/ crew chief can really make a difference.
I feel the same way about going back to a .4 tree as a S/SS racer would when someone finds a soft combo and gets NHRA to pull 20 or 30 HP off of it and suddenly has a car that can go farther under the class index that the racers who have been flogging their cars for years to get to the same level of performance.
I know it sounds harsh,but work on you car,yes, you might have to give up some coin ,but more often than not ,the racers having a hard time hitting the tree are good on the practice tree,but spend no time at the track experimenting with shock settings , 4link, tire pressure,ect.
BTW I havnt been on the practice tree in over 3 years, It became more of a game than a tool......And over the last three races of the season ,my reaction time average was .008. ..this included three .003 rt's in a row at Atco and two .000's at MapleGrove.

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Agree with Tom, Im all for a .350 tree,maybe even lower! Sorry Fletchburg.

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How about a tree for old guys...LOL

I had .050 in the box with my old dragster on a .400 tree at Numidia and was .006 one round. That was the fastest I can ever recall being on a Pro Tree.


Tom my friend you know I know all about not being able to get under a .430 or .440 shallow on a .400 Tree.......I once had 3 sets of front wheels and tires.....and used them to try and adjust my RT's......A little roll does wonders though untill you turn it red.........been there and done that.....

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NHRA sent me the poll for SC and SG but didnt send me the SST one . I would like to see them 8.0, 9.0 and 10.0 but I voted for 8.50 and 9.50 through the email from NHRA . I voted on this site for 10.50 and no Scotty Rule , I'm not scared and SST isn't entry level . Granted speeding up the index may be an issue at some altitudes , maybe that could be adjusted a little more for some tracks . I also think that a .400 tree should be a .400 tree not .370 as a .500 should be a .500 . I mean come on guys why the hell do we have delay boxes ? Then theres the mph thing SPEED LIMITS ARE FOR HIGHWAYS AND STREETS ! . I thought racing of any form was about going fast ! So stop complaining . I dont go backwards on anything in life if they turn SST into a bracket race or put a mph cap on it I will go IHRA .

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Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes.........In my opinion

race a faster class :confused:

Now I'm calling bbbbb ssssss!!! ;)

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Billy, I thought Iggy and myself were the only ones in favor of a .350 tree!!
Some of these guys just dont get it , it dosnt matter what you call the tree .4 .5 , .370. If everyone can hit a .000 light and go red at will without having to work at making it happen where is the skill involved?
Super classes have become something that a lot of racers see as something to jump into when they feel like it , and go bracket racing every other time.
Most of the successful Super class racers know that there are serious compromises to be made on a car to be able to hit the tree at any track , in any weather. ....And it's not just about having huge HP or big motors.....I know of more than a few low HP cars with ladder bar suspension that can hit the tree........ ... I've tried to help a few racers with RT's over the years,most only needed to make a few small changes to their chassis setup,but I repetedly heard, Oh, I cant Bracket race it like that!
If you cant hit the tree as it is , then maybe the Super classes arent for you. ...And I dont mean any disrespect to you as a racer or to your equipment, it's just that as a racer who has raced in the Super Classes since their inception, I've seen a lot of changes in the class , good and bad . ....Many good racers have gone back to Brackets rather than adapt to the realities that make a car competitive in the .90 classes.

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Cal,

As a new fan, what was it about your first experience at the race,
that attracted you to do more of it? You said you were surprised
you liked it, why was that, what were your preconceived notions?

I feel as though you entered reluctantly expecting to not go back?

-steve

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I live about 20 miles from MIR. I was a Bracket racer in the late 70s though the 80s
to about 96 when I gave it up. I didn't go to a race for about 6 years, then went to the
Presidents Cup at MIR. I started going back to the track once in a while with Robert Jones and his TS 63 Corvette. in 2008 or so I decided I wanted another car and started looking. I finally bought my 2nd Corvette, and started playing with it on Friday night and Saturdays at MIR. Its kinda like riding a bike, but you gotta learn everything all over again.

Well the Nitro Jam was approching fast and Robert wanted me to bring my 2 golf carts to the track. Dale Koncens who runs QR was on me to enter HR and the car was there because I brung both golf carts. So I entered the race. I never was a big fan of index racing because of the leaving lifting takeing off again, but I figured what the heck lets try it. I had never left on a Pro Tree till that Sat morning. Or for that matter a trans brake in this car. ( I had been foot brakeing the car) On my 1st pass I had a .127 light and ran a 10.897, and I thought it was pretty cool, on the 2nd pass had a .030 light and ran a 10.922 and I was hooked.
Not really sure if it was the Pro Tree I liked or the idea of running heads up. I did also win 1st rd running a 10.92 lifting, I think it was like a .050 light. I lost a super close 2nd rd to Keith Meyer (?) I belive I had a .038 to his .030 I ran a 10.907 to his 10.904 losing by .011 about a ft at the stripe. I know I have a lot to learn about index racing, getting the car dailed in with the new motor, which should run in the high 9s, learning how to throttle stop, timers ect ect ect.

It looks like 4 or 5 IHRA events, and possible 3 to 4 NHRA events. and possible a index series at a track near you. LOL

Calvin Starcher
HR 177X

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Cal.....Its 70 degrees here today, sunny and a nice breeze. Have ALL of my widows open. I sure dont miss the cold and snow in Md. Have a nice Christmas. I will stop in and say hi next time Im up there (In the summer....LOL).

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I have a S/G roadster, what class would you suggest? If you are concerned about throttle stops and high MPH, then maybe you should stick to bracket racing.

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Ryan, I think you should run super gas. that is the class that I run in and I really don't care if you are going 150 or 180. I will do my best to win the round. My motors are small compared to others, probably the smallest cubic inch in the class at the event. The car counts in the midwest seem to me to be pretty good in the super classes. I don't understand why you want to change the indexes to something like 9.0. I will be out. I will not run sst because of the minimum weight and the .5 tree. I love to race, and racing the high mph cars is tough to do. But if they lower the index to 9.0 or 8.9 for super gas, I am going to have to sit out. Bottom line I love to race, but the CAT cars, are wanting to change the index, and I don't want to see that happen.

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No weight limit in sst.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just thinking
no t-stops
mile per hour rules in all class's
no burnonts ( no smoke got to go green )
no trees, women in bikinis with flags
no finish line, he who has the biggest gun wins

really though no weight limit in sst......................

RUM TO ALL WINNERS

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No tell me it aint so. 70 Bummer its 30 here and snowing .
You should be glad you moved outta here. LOL

Yes stop by the slot car track next time your in town, it'll be great to see you again.

Cal
HR 177X

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Thanks Maverick but I already race Super Gas. I was asking Lucky Dog this question. He suggested if we didn't like the idea of speed limits to race a faster class. My point was that with my combination there is no other class that I can run. Therefore, if the rules are changed then I will have to sell my stuff and purchase something different.

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I would suggest Super Comp......:confused:

When did I say that?

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Before we slit our wrists.....lol. Let's see what the results are.....I don't know how it's going but I bet super gas and street shows a majority that don't want a change....I'm just guessing.....but I bet super comp votes for 8.50.......it will be interesting to see what the vote is....
Everybody has their opinion of how it should be.....lets hope we get enough votes to see ......I saw a post from a sg racer that said he didn't vote for whatever reason.....I think everybody should voice their opinion....remember it's still just a fact finding mission.....

Rock Haas
Your Div 3 SRAC Rep.....

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SRAC reps,

Any indications from NHRA when the results will be published? Just curious...

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x2, I think the Super Comp guys are the only ones who would be willing to change the index. Super Street might do away with the Scotty rule, though.

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Just curious why I have seen so many folks wanting to do away with ot lower the S/ST weight limits? I have a tube chassis car but it is not lite at all. It was a Pro Street car originally and with no ballast is 100lbs over weight.

As fot he speed limits, again why? It's not like the fastest cars in the various classes are dominating the competition. I do agree there have been a number of accidents this past year from what appears to be accessive use of the brake pedal but why punish everyone for a few peoples mistakes? Why not address that issue on an individual basis with the folks who are doing it?