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What's a fast burn?

Re: How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this
 

Opposite of a slow burn ?????

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I still can not believe most of you guys are unwilling to admit there are many combinations in the older cars which are at least 200 HP underrated.

I have mentioned the 425/427 before but I could list 20 others - pick any combo that can run a second under

You guys just want to complain about being 300 HP off

Give it a rest - I know it is tough back there in the cold and snow but out here in Los Angeles it i a beautiful sunny day - temperature 85 degrees

Enjoy

:-) peace

Re: How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this
 

fast burn is someone other than cajun eating your food,lol.

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What did you smoke up before making this post????

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" Quote "another association - the other association has done even less than the NHRA with this problem - they're just sitting on their hands .
How you figure that?.. I think we have done more...... We do have a class for them . As i recall according to a lot of the posts about the new cars, that is what seems to be the answer by other racers (have a class of their own ). We have had a few Dp's run some this year and i did not see a negative post from the new or old car drivers/owners about what class they ran over here . My hands may be tied to a certain degree but i surely am not sitting on them....and my ears work fine....We did not drop the indexes 3 tenth to solve the problem either.

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You go guy ! IHRA did what NHRA SHOULD have done yet no one seems to give a rats butt. Same ole song and dance.

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Actually I was smoking up some BBQ chicken - not as good as Jeff's Cajun but it will have to do.

Are you guys talking about actual dyno flywheel HP or some made up HP that is some where between reality and what NHRA makes it after the factory gives a starting point.

I will say it again we all know actual dyno flywheel HP is around 1.5 times the NHRA factored HP

The older cars have had years to get it right and they are still way off - the new ones will get there sooner than the old ones did and as soon as there are new classes to handle real HP everything will be fine.

Are you guys against 6, 6.5 and 7 lb classes - if so why? It would eventually get the new cars which are way faster than the old ones - separated.

If there were already classes to handle really high HP, fast cars this would not have happened

We could do what the federal government tried to do in the early seventies - stop making so much HP.


LOL

:-) peace

Re: How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this
 

Well, in that case, you lift off the throttle and make sure your opponent is well down track, then you cross the centerline. :)


-Toby

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If they get factored beyond the 7.5 lb break then they need to be in S/S ONLY ! If you like to go faster and spend more than that $100,000 then jump in with both feet instead of just sticking your toe in a little bit. .

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The only way that will happen is if they make you run the natural class only
I think this would be a good start.

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Well said - LOL :-)

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Danny -- Maybe I'm just misinformed - I didn't know you had a "Special" class for the new cars - what else do you have besides the AA/FI classes ? And where are all the other new cars going to fit? What else have you done -- I'm not looking to throw rocks but to say the IHRA has done more -- well I just haven't seen it ............ Lumping all the new cars into your Fuel Injected classes in OK but is really only a band-aid as there are more and more FI cars as time goes by .

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Im all for that even with the 1/2 lb breaks. This moving up and down a class to stay away from so and so is a joke. Just adjust your weight within your natural class. When you get hit with enough HP then "SHAZAM" your in a higher class......LOL.

Re: How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this
 

Spoken like a true Stocker guy ............Always play in the gray area .

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Jack, up until now that is all we needed . As soon as we get all specs and in the books , i feel like we will probably will just keep adding the AAFI's, BBFI's , CCFI' s and ect........We never had a Mustang or a DP in A or AA last year.. We really don't have the problem NHRA is having.I know we don't have the car count either ,but if we did i think everyone would be content as we have it. We don't give HP just because they got hit in NHRA. Now when a veh goes fast in IHRA then we try to ajust for that when it happens over here. But we are watching who is fast at other races.......

Re: How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this
 

Jack, they won't red light in a heads up when they have a half second on you.

Danny, bet you see some at Baton Rouge.

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Maybe I've opened a whole new can of worms for you -- at your first race next season its possible there will be some cars there that can go more than 2 seconds under if you're not following NHRA's lead in giving HP to these cars -- hey Jeff - you listening .............turns out you don't need that Viper deal to be #1 again .Some have complained about going to a gunfight with a knife - but at your deal they have to leave their knife at home ................


PS - I gotta quit this -- damn tree won't put itself up ...........

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OK, I give up . You got to have a problem to fix a problem . I guess it will fix itself like the other will. MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR everyone.

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if NHRA's HP factors were anywhere near what an actual stocker motor made, your point may be somewhere in the zip code of valid. Right now you are comparing apples and footballs.

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Andy's dad, engines rated 200 hp too low? 300 hp too low? How do come up with some of this? Man, you are embarrassing yourself.

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First of all it is Ron as it says at the bottom of my posts

No Ed you are the one who is embarrassing himself

Now you are making it personal

I do not have time for BS

I get my information from dyno sheets and look at NHRA HP

Any car that can run a second under usually makes 1.5 times the NHRA HP on a DYNO

I have had enough - no more posting until we run

Most of you guys do not have a dog in this hunt anyway

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you do realize that the NHRA HP factors are supposed to be an approximation of the the motor was capable of off the showroom floor, not what they make on a dyno in stock trim, right?

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Chad, I don't think he does.

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You're kidding, right? If you're not, you should be.





So, you want to rate the L-72 427/425 at over 600HP? Okay, fine, but then you can rate the supercharged Cobra Jets at around 750HP, and that's being generous. And your new Viper/Challenger at around 775-825HP. It works both ways, but you might not like that.

Re: How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this
 

what page is that in the rulebook? or AHFS?

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A little comic relief, right guys? lol
Just keeps getting funnier.

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We do not need 6, 6.5lb. classes, This new DP has .680 lift cam, big throttle body, cnc'ed heads, aluminum Intake, Milodon oil pan, and a free for all on how you would like to build the rear suspension, I am not real sure but that description to me sounds like a Super Stocker not a Stocker.

I remember when the first LT-1 came out, everybody started to build them, It cost me a division Championship, they were wicked fast, but I was told by a NHRA Official on several occasions, This is what it was like when the 67 camaro came out and kicked everyone's ***, deal with it or build a different combo.
It's wrong what is going on, but it reminds me of what happened to me in 1994 with the LT-1.

I don't blame you Greg for staying around home, but remember 1 thing,you only live once ,and this time you have with your son is special times for him right now, go enjoy them.

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monte, don't forget the transbrake

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How could Andy's Dad have run stock elim, as long as he has and doesn't understand the difference between the factored Hp and the real HP an engine makes, Doe's this guy own a tool box?. PS good luck with that under rated car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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you know enough with the bashing. instead of all this talking why dont you do something about it huh? we've all got priorities and maybe his are taking this new car thing as a blessing.

and by the way, if u have not lost a heads up round to a CJ or DP car yet then you should just SHUT YOUR MOUTH. if u have, then please express your opinion, by all means. but until it DIRECTLY affects you, why dont u just sit back and enjoy some fast cars. isnt that what we all used to do?

how bout when bobby d ran the first 9 second run in stock. were people complaining about him being underrated then? i dont think so. why dont people do some research about what class ur local dp or cj car will run and add or subtract some weight to not be in that persons class.

seems like some people are just jealous and havent had anything to complain about in a few years..

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oh and im pretty sure Andy's dad has a toolbox. i did some snooping and saw he ran 10.29 at pomona. if it had been two years earlier all of u stuck up jerks would have been yelling at nhra for him to get horsepower. so yeah he has a toolbox. and he makes his car run, good. why dont u run ur car in B/SA and race him heads up?

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Hey buddy, the good thing about racing close to home is all of our combo races. We won't miss time together doing what we love. We will still probably race 14 or 15 weekends this summer.

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While I couldn't possibly race more than I do now, the new cars have directly affected the decisions I've made. I sat back and watched. It became painfully obvious that NHRA wasn't going to do anything about the new cars. That, combined with how all of the schedules have been changing over the years, I have elected to sell my crate motor, and build a new engine to go Super Stock racing. A wise man with a funny accent and a beer cooler once told me something along the lines of 'If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.' If nothing else, it gave me a good excuse to call and talk to Scott Helms at Southland Speed. He makes me laugh.

Well, congratulations. Make sure you send NHRA a Christmas Card.

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Andy please tell me witch 427 ci chevy or any other is 200 hp underated? Jim Hanig

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Great post Toby ! LMAO

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If your a hundred or so light after loosing a heads up, but hit the trigger yourself, it shouldn't count. Right? Lol

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Well just for fun, if you add 200HP to the NHRA HP factor for the 427 in question and it is running in A/SA you would have to add 1,600LBS, which would put a hard charging 10.00 Camaro in the mid 11s or so, if you could get down the track without breaking or popping all of the tires. About 5,200LBS on the weight sticker.

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Paul, I think he just wrote a check for his kid. He doesn't really know how it works.

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Ok, although I may not agree with all of his post or points, Ron Durham (Andys dad) is a good guy and has been class racing a long time. We used to share info years ago when we both ran 71 454 425 hp Chevelles. He is not an idiot when it comes to stock eliminator racing.